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Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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As soon as you look at the zoning of LA, the housing problem there becomes clear as day, even for someone who doesn't visit very often. I don't know what you would call this system but LA's problem is that the folks that have the power to fix housing have zero interest in doing because it would hurt their self interest. Housing is only a "problem" if you haven't bought a house yet, once you purchase a house, all the…

> Un-democratic in the sense that it casts out folks that don't live there, but democratic in the sense that the voices of those who own homes are clearly heard.

California’s housing crisis has given me a clear perspective on the debate between centralized and distributed powers, a topic I have long struggled to resolve. It harkens back to debates as old as federalism vs anti-federalism. States rights versus federal rights. Similarly, in this case, it’s about county rights versus the state’s right. Debates on this topic usually resolves around one or the other, leading to rather binary positions. But really, the discussion should be about the appropriate balance between the two. I find we are well informed about the tyranny of centralized power by the state. As a specific example, there is a narrative that the Robert Moses era of the mid-20th century lead to massive civil projects, such as freeways, that put the interests of the state ahead of individual neighborhoods, leading to destroyed and fractured communities. It appears there has been a political whiplash against this era which has lead us to the predicament we find ourselves with today, which is that powers are now heavily distributed. What can and cannot be built is now dictated by the counties and the neighborhoods within it. This is wonderful in the sense that you, as an individual property owner, have much greater control on what goes on in your community. But this also has a systemic effect of acting as a problem that the federalists originally warned about in their own debates, which is the tyranny of the majority. Because powers are so heavily distributed, it has lead to an artificially constructed zero-sum game, as you point out in your post, where everyone who owns a home is content and will do whatever they can to limit supply as doing so feeds their natural own self-interests. In this regard, I think it is clear that we have an improper balance between distributed and centralized power. I believe it weighs too heavily on the distributed side. This results in the trampling of interests of both developers, who wish to produce supply, and individuals themselves who wish to participate in the society, but cannot due to unaffordability. This is a shift in position that I would say is rather unique for me. I tend to advocate for the inverse, a reduction in centralized power. But in this particular case, I think centralization is an appropriate step.

I also want to make one additional disclaimer. By centralization of power, I don’t mean the state should be involved in housing construction itself. This is a position often proposed by progressive advocates. Instead what I mean is that the state should have the power to override local interests so that the market can do its job, which is its interest to increase supply. In other words, the state should do what it can to remove the local bureaucracy that stifles development.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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I can tell you that when we were moving from SF to Seattle this past year, we were getting _crushed_ on any house that was sitting on an upzoned lot. Seattle's done a decent job of upzoning parts of neighborhoods around transit corridors, and we were looking at houses on those lots because I believe in the upside as you do. Well, so do others, and they have _cash_ to buy it - we did not! We're now in a SFH in a mostl…

People complain about parking requirements but, in most US cities (and indeed in a great deal of the world) most households have cars. If I lived in Seattle, even if I didn't need one day to day for work/errands/etc., I'd certainly own one for going out to the mountains and so forth on the weekends.

I think for many people, Zipcar or other car shares would cover their mountain needs. But for those who need one all the time, they can buy or rent a parking spot if street parking doesn't work for them.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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As soon as you look at the zoning of LA, the housing problem there becomes clear as day, even for someone who doesn't visit very often. I don't know what you would call this system but LA's problem is that the folks that have the power to fix housing have zero interest in doing because it would hurt their self interest. Housing is only a "problem" if you haven't bought a house yet, once you purchase a house, all the…

housing reform has been a political third-rail for a while now and follows the same aggravating pattern. - Home owners delight in 100k of equity per year on what amounts to bungalow property held together by stucco, as they have since the late seventies when neoliberal tax reforms at a republican behest elevated them to an untouchable landed gentry. - Residents in the state bemoan "Reagans army," the indelible popula…

> there are hundreds of derelict, abandoned malls, clubs, bars, parking structures, and other edifices of commerce including giant grass and trash lots that just seem to exist. Theyre all owned by property management cabals or millionaires who refuse to do anything with the land

The fact that developing the lot causes the property tax to be reassessed may have something to do with this. If you make someone pay a gigantic fine for putting something on their lot full of trash, they may opt not to.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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I can tell you that when we were moving from SF to Seattle this past year, we were getting _crushed_ on any house that was sitting on an upzoned lot. Seattle's done a decent job of upzoning parts of neighborhoods around transit corridors, and we were looking at houses on those lots because I believe in the upside as you do. Well, so do others, and they have _cash_ to buy it - we did not! We're now in a SFH in a mostl…

> The only issue that I have with this so far is that newer construction denser housing is not required to have parking for some reason, but people living in them do have cars. I'm hoping that larger projects start to require parking because transit here just isn't good enough to not have a car. Mandatory parking minimums make constructing new housing more difficult, raising the cost of housing. The city is making th…

I envy the Tokyo system, where you're required to show you have your own parking spot in order to be able to purchase a car. No wonder their public transit is world class.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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Some people aren't solely motivated by the rise in their property. Evidence already suggests doing nothing increases it plenty. On the other hand, some folks just don't like living in higher density neighborhoods. I can empathize with someone that bought a single family home decades ago, probably can't afford to buy a new one today even after selling it, and doesn't want to see their quiet neighborhood turn into a bu…

Is it “not solely home prices” or “has nothing to do with home prices”? The latter is not a defensible argument, on its face.

For the community I was talking about, absolutely. Many of the residents in that neighborhood are in their last home, not first.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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Dream: Build light rail and cluster high density mixed-use housing and commercial around the stops. Reality: LA runs out of water as climate change intensifies in the Rockies.

You'd save an order of magnitude more water by cutting back agricultural and landscaping usage. If those apartment buildings are professionally designed, they're likely to be more efficient than random houses with ±30 years age on fixtures. What seems to be working well in LA is building up buses. When I was out last June I noticed buses with dedicated right-of-way (physically separated) and that seemed to be running…

there’s only one truly dedicated busway here in LA (orange line in the valley). some other buses (like silver line) have sections of busway, but are mostly traveling on shared streets. there’s been a back-and-forth on dedicated bus lanes and some plans for more busways, but there is a lot of misplaced pushback from drivers on this (that it would increase traffic).

i do think that buses are a good lower-cost mass transit option, but without the reliability/security that comes with dedicated infrastructure, it will be hard to get more angelenos to rely on the bus for daily use. currently metro is focused on removing fares, but all that will do is lower their budget (modestly) and worsen service, which will be counterproductive to the goal of increasing ridership.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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As soon as you look at the zoning of LA, the housing problem there becomes clear as day, even for someone who doesn't visit very often. I don't know what you would call this system but LA's problem is that the folks that have the power to fix housing have zero interest in doing because it would hurt their self interest. Housing is only a "problem" if you haven't bought a house yet, once you purchase a house, all the…

The thing I don't get is why many SFH owners don't see the benefit of upzoning their lot: Overnight, their house is much more valuable because if they choose to, they can sell to a developer who can make MORE money by building more homes. And if they choose to keep their house as is, nobody is going to force them. In the end, it boils down to cars, though. Many people see the free parking space in front of their hous…

People rich enough to own SFH don't really care about the money. They didn't buy the place to sell.

The product they're buying with the SFH form is Exclusivity.

With a SFH surrounded by other SFHs you have few neighbours and you're (mostly) guaranteed that they're the same class as you.

SFH owners oppose apartments because apartments bring more people and (gasp) poorer people.

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you that when we were moving from SF to Seattle this past year, we were getting _crushed_ on any house that was sitting on an upzoned lot. Seattle's done a decent job of upzoning parts of neighborhoods around transit corridors, and we were looking at houses on those lots because I believe in the upside as you do. Well, so do others, and they have _cash_ to buy it - we did not! We're now in a SFH in a mostl…

People complain about parking requirements but, in most US cities (and indeed in a great deal of the world) most households have cars. If I lived in Seattle, even if I didn't need one day to day for work/errands/etc., I'd certainly own one for going out to the mountains and so forth on the weekends.

Why should we subsidize a car storage spot?

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing I don't get is why many SFH owners don't see the benefit of upzoning their lot: Overnight, their house is much more valuable because if they choose to, they can sell to a developer who can make MORE money by building more homes. And if they choose to keep their house as is, nobody is going to force them. In the end, it boils down to cars, though. Many people see the free parking space in front of their hous…

> Make cars optional, and everything else falls into place. You’re forgetting all the other infrastructure that a person living in a house/apartment/duplex needs. Looking at a zoning map makes it easy to see why housing is so expensive to purchase, but in addition to roads how much additional water, electricity, internet, emergency services, whatever else, infrastructure would be required to service intensification?…

From what I've read, infrastructure for SFH is much more expensive to build and maintain, because each mile serves so many fewer people, and because the land is basically under-utilized, so the city collects less property tax from it. (One million-dollar SFH vs 8 500k apartments in a 4-plex, for example)

Re: Facing housing crisis, L.A. voters back duplexes in single-family neighborhoods

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post #37

As soon as you look at the zoning of LA, the housing problem there becomes clear as day, even for someone who doesn't visit very often. I don't know what you would call this system but LA's problem is that the folks that have the power to fix housing have zero interest in doing because it would hurt their self interest. Housing is only a "problem" if you haven't bought a house yet, once you purchase a house, all the…

housing reform has been a political third-rail for a while now and follows the same aggravating pattern. - Home owners delight in 100k of equity per year on what amounts to bungalow property held together by stucco, as they have since the late seventies when neoliberal tax reforms at a republican behest elevated them to an untouchable landed gentry. - Residents in the state bemoan "Reagans army," the indelible popula…

The people stealing from cars are mostly more organized people from East Bay more so than homeless people.
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