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A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I wish I could still get a toaster that let me toast one slice at a time. If making toast, I usually just want one slice. It is wasteful to have to heat up both sides for one slice of toast. I remember one model from a few decades ago where you could just put one slice in and push down one button to toast that. If you put in 2 slices, the other button would push both sides down to toast. I haven’t seen that feature i…

Mine's a Dualit. It's repairable (it's held together with simple screws, and you can order all the parts), it has a mechanical timer, and a simple lever to raise/lower the toast. There's also a knob to switch between left slot/both slots. No electronics, no indicator lights. I think these things are targeted at commercial outlets (hotels, cafes and so on). I bought it because I imagined it would be ultra-reliable, an…

Thanks. I’ll look for that

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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They bury the lede in the last fucking paragraph. The reason this toaster is immensely better than the toaster you have at home is very, very simple: this toaster's 1949 price would be hundreds of dollars in 2021 terms. You can still buy really, truly excellent toasters made for industrial/commercial use, or for the homes of the very rich, and they're quite a lot better than the trash people keep in their houses. And…

This would make more sense if manufacturing hadn’t improved in that time. But isn’t it reasonable to expect the price of these items to have reduced over the past 100 years?

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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It absolutely is. On the other hand at least it shows the original video. Something I just watched in awe. Stunned about the ingenuity of the toaster design.

If you liked the video and didn't know about Technology Connections, I can only recommend (strongly) to go through the channel's archive: Alec mostly goes through old or somewhat intemporal stuff, so technical and editing chops aside the content really doesn't age, and I've yet to see a video from him that's not interesting nerdery.

Thanks will do. I love interesting stuff so I gladly will take a look.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I want legislation that the manufacturer has to publish, online and in a conspicuous place, full board-level schematics, parts lists, and service notes for household appliances no later than the day after the first unit of a model goes out of warranty. Or that such documents are placed prominently in the packaging the product arrives in and that installers are required by law to provide it to the customer. You can se…

> My biggest fear in getting a new washer/dryer is that it starts my wife and I on the same junk treadmill everyone else is on. In my experience, the more expensive washers/driers (e.g. >$1000) are actually higher quality and last 5 times longer than the cheap, or even mid range ones.

I have had the exact opposite experience. The cheap ones with physical buttons and timers last longer and are way cheaper to fix if it does break.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I suspect that the 12KW isn't to a single burner, but rather the total across all burners. A typical home gas range is probably totalling 17kW or so with all burners going. doing some research in the internet, the large burners on induction cook tops do about 3.5kW, with less common 11" burners getting up to 4kW or so. The large burners on a gas stove do about 17500 BTU, which is about 5kW. I could believe that the p…

Induction ranges are ~ 2x more energy efficient than resistive, since there’s no loss of heat between the heater coil and pan. I just switched from gas to induction, and am consistently surprised at how cool the area around the pan stays vs. with natural gas. I’d guess the gas burner is wasting at least half the heat it puts off. A 5kW gas burner is definitely delivering less heat to the pan than a 4 kW induction bur…

Ah, cool. Looking up efficiencies, it looks like induction is about 80% vs. gas about 40%. So that puts output power at 2.5kW for a large induction burner vs 2kW for a large gas burner. So I suppose you could boil water slightly faster with a nice induction stove, assuming good heat transfer on both.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I suspect that the 12KW isn't to a single burner, but rather the total across all burners. A typical home gas range is probably totalling 17kW or so with all burners going. doing some research in the internet, the large burners on induction cook tops do about 3.5kW, with less common 11" burners getting up to 4kW or so. The large burners on a gas stove do about 17500 BTU, which is about 5kW. I could believe that the p…

> I would bet that you aren't boiling your water as fast as you think you are relative to a gas burner though. I moved recently to somewhere that has gas and noticed its is quite a lot slower than the induction stove I was using. The gas one seems worse in every way but initial cost.

The operating cost is generally lower for gas as well. It's certainly true where I live, where 1 kWh is seemingly something like $0.40 after all the rates, fees and taxes.

Is your gas stove in your new place nice or is it kinda cheap? I've certainly used plenty of mediocre gas burners. I would expect a high end induction stove to be a better experience than a low end gas burner. I think we can all agree that electric coil burners are terrible.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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Just a polarized plug would do it. That would make it so the switch is before the elements and not after.

You need the ground line too since the body of the unit is conductive and not insulated. Without a ground, you can short live to the body and have it still function in that hazardous state; with the body grounded, that short will pass current and trip the breaker.

That solves a different problem. The ground is only used if there is a short somewhere in the unit. (Potentially getting a shock from touching the toaster.)

A polarized plug prevents the elements from being a live wire.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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I watched a few videos from his channel and always amazed/wondered how can he has so many vintage items and deep knowledge of/around them. I really enjoy his presentation skill and sense of humour.

The jokes are painfully corny. But everything else about his channel is gold.

I'm a pretty corny person, so I enjoy them. Not laugh-out-loud funny, but at least smile-worthy.

I do really enjoy his presentation style, and the technical content is well-written and fascinating.

Re: A toaster from 1949 is still smarter than any sold today

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You need the ground line too since the body of the unit is conductive and not insulated. Without a ground, you can short live to the body and have it still function in that hazardous state; with the body grounded, that short will pass current and trip the breaker.

That solves a different problem. The ground is only used if there is a short somewhere in the unit. (Potentially getting a shock from touching the toaster.) A polarized plug prevents the elements from being a live wire.

Sure, a polarized plug and a ground mitigate different kinds of electrical hazard, but you do need both of them to mitigate all the electrical hazards that a metal-bodied kitchen appliance would otherwise present.
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