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Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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I'm missing the : https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/HTML/Element/marqu... , the "under construction" GIFs: https://www.vice.com/en/article/9akenz/this-guy-compiled-eve... and those lightsaber horizontal content dividers.

Sometime in the 2000s I learned that using the css left attribute to animate marquee like text flows, worked much better (smoother and I think also performance wise). I was a bit surprised, that some handmade marquee was performing better than the native original.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #16

My memory is hazy, I was reading and thinking surely some of these ( DHTML ) are crossing into early 00s? And then I read > In other words, which editor (FrontPage ‘98, obviously), which web server (GeoCities, you moron), Oh yes. FrontPage 98! > I miss the good ol’ days. " Today we have abstractions on top of abstractions on top of JavaScript ", of all things. Shit doesn’t even know how to calculate math correctly. I…

My team was ride or die with (pre-Macromedia) HomeSite! Oh God and MS Visual Source Safe.

I loved Adobe Pagemill myself.

I remember when Aldus and Macromind merged.

I can't believe Adobe was allowed to merge with Macromedia.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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I started my true web development arc in 1999 and used most of these techniques. There was a netizen of the time called “Dr Ozone” who was doing mind bending stuff on his site at the time. It’s still around at https://ozones.com/ it’s where I learned what JavaScript could do. The number of hacks used to deal with the DOM models until jquery was epic.

I remember that site.

everything I learned about javascript, I learned from gamelan: https://web.archive.org/web/19961022194345/http://www.gamela...

It's funny how many neural network demos there are. I almost forgot that was one of the prior "AI" waves before the previous AI crash.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #41

Wow. That took me back. All those things, every day. And table layouts of course. And let's not forget slicing images, and slapping those into tables too. If I remember rightly, Photoshop had an "export to slices" thing built in. Amazing. Loved it. And of course one of the biggest issues with today's web: you can't just view source and copy paste. You're in the land of chasing back up CSS files, js libraries, or find…

> you can't just view source and copy paste My highschool computer curriculum was basically a hacker school program for web dev stretched across three years (senior year we did VB6). I managed to be impressive because I would dissect web pages to learn their tricks. I think I must be the only one (or if not, at least among the first) in our level to pull off columned layout without CSS. I figured out all by myself, n…

I was always jealous of schools that would teach some sort of programming or web design. My high school computer class (each year) was learning how to use MS Office. Which was probably the most useful instruction the rest of those kids could have received... but I wanted to learn to program.

So, the computer class instructor sat me down and asked me what I knew about programming. "I can use Perl", I said (I had read Perl For Dummies, v5.00502 edition). So he told me to make an online calendar for the school. So, I did. No instruction... just figured it out as I went. And that's how I learned that managing and displaying events in arbitrary times and dates is harder than P=NP.

Turns out that giving me that project was intended to save the school from having to pay for a real online calendar.

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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He forgot to mention hiding sensitive information behind a JS-powered script that had the password saved in the clear in the script on the page, and then disabling right-click events so you couldn't inspect the source of the page to find the super secret password... Hint: it was totally unsafe then, it still is now.

I, as an embedded developer working for a vending machine manufacturer did this about 10 years ago.

The sales people came running and asked me to help them "fix the home page" because the sales chief had realised that diffrent markets could see what prices the other markets was being charged.

Not being a web guy, I said that we probably should have a look at the server code to see if we could figure out what to do.

Turns out there was no server code, just static web pages. I said we could probably password protect the price lists with javascript but any child who knew how to hit F12 would be able to see the prices anyway.

They said "What's F12? Can you do it today?"

Re: Only 90s web developers remember this (2014)

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post #138

A lot of old 90's "hacks" are still commonplace in current email design. Thanks to Outlook's reliance on a brain dead MS Word-based rendering system rather than using actual modern HTML5. And since Outlook is still the standard for email clients in the workplace, all other systems are impacted as well. It's interesting to see modern day developers struggle with email design and turn to folks like us :D

I came here to say the same thing. We use mjml to abstract away all this nonsense for us. Great library.

https://mjml.io/

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