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I also like other languages, some because they are a pleasure to use, or give me an opportunity to learn something new... but mostly because they pay the bills.
I don't think there is anything wrong with that, these are just the tools of the software engineer, nothing more. We use the tools that are appropriate for the job, no reason to make it into something deeper than that.
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If people call something "cool" - that's actually a red flag for me.
How's that policy working out for you? If I did that I'd have missed a hell of a lot of cool stuff in life haha
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I also live in the EU, and 4,5k is not a massively good salary for a programmer in my country (Denmark). This is usually what a junior is paid.
Absolutely agree, 4.5K USD (3,970€) is certainly not a "massively good salary for Europe" although that heavily depends on the country. Here in Germany its about entry level for a CS major
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All languages can be used by everyone.
That is probably false for all practical values of "used".
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Ya, but PHP is actually still being used in a lot of agencies and in certain types of work. Far more than elixer and rust, probably just below ruby. Also I wasn't pointing out what you say, you're reading into it a bit. I haven't used PHP in a long ass time. But it seems like not a bad choice for certain markets, at least as much as Python and Ruby imo
PHP is used far more than Ruby. Wordpress alone dwarfes any Ruby usage.
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Here's a choose your own adventure for people new to the field. Pick something you want to build, then see which languages are the best suited. If you want to build several things, see which languages are the most recurring and versatile: - Web frontend: Javascript/TypeScript - Web backend: Javascript/TypeScript, Python - Performant backend (where you manage threads and queues): Go, Java, Rust - Machine learning: Pyt…
Rust is great, but if one is looking for a job in systems programming, C and C++ is what gets one hired, regardless of their flaws. Recent example, while Android has adopted Rust for replacing their bluetooth stack, the newly introduced Android Games Development SDK focus on C and C++. Or Microsoft, despite all their security speech, Azure Sphere OS and RTOS only support C on the official SDK, and the new WinUI compo…
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I haven't worked in PHP for years but 2000request/second doesn't sound unreasonable for PHP either? And that with a language that everyone can use.
2k requests might range from nothing to to hard, depending on what the page does. A simple PHP page 10 years ago on a low-end server using mod_php could do 100k+ rps. Add more logic to it and performance will decrease.
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for me the biggest advantage is the size of the market. I know Python and PHP quite decent but I've never found any quick job (or long time job) for my Python skills. For PHP I have to convey some of jobs to others, I am getting so much of them (I even run some job advertisement site only for the purpose to redirect people pinging me with offers, really). But maybe this is just me.
Good jobs though? Lots of PHP jobs in Canada, but the salary is nearly universally always laughably low.
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Here's a choose your own adventure for people new to the field. Pick something you want to build, then see which languages are the best suited. If you want to build several things, see which languages are the most recurring and versatile: - Web frontend: Javascript/TypeScript - Web backend: Javascript/TypeScript, Python - Performant backend (where you manage threads and queues): Go, Java, Rust - Machine learning: Pyt…
Rust is great, but if one is looking for a job in systems programming, C and C++ is what gets one hired, regardless of their flaws. Recent example, while Android has adopted Rust for replacing their bluetooth stack, the newly introduced Android Games Development SDK focus on C and C++. Or Microsoft, despite all their security speech, Azure Sphere OS and RTOS only support C on the official SDK, and the new WinUI compo…
That's true, but as a beginner I feel like starting with Rust is a lot more accessible, and could help someone switch into C++ later.
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The best part of PHP is the development model. You copy some files to a server, and load the page. That's it. It is really hard to beat how easy it is to iterate, even if the language is truly terrible.
I have seen people deploy php this way but I'm not aware of anyone who'd do it today. Locally however it is save, alt-tab, ctrl-r and immediately you see the result. Absolutely no waiting. These days I rather use Quarkus for this but until Quarkus arrived this was a huge advantage that PHP had over every other language and framework I was aware of. Also the documentation was fantastic compared to most of the stuff I…
Which I suppose is just a fancy way of a copying files to the server.