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Corded earphones: * never run out of juice * never have internal noise/audible hiss * never have trouble connecting * you can hear your vinyl rip FLAC as it is, not subjected to lossy psychoacoustic compression * you can use a variety of devices spanning decades to listen your music on

* can't be used at any place other than sitting at my desk plugged into my computer

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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Been using 2nd gen AirPods since they came out. Never had any connection reliability issues at all. They switch between my phone and iPad all the time as well. No glitches at all here other than one time I was walking past a large diesel generator. As for gestures, I don’t use them. I usually use Siri, my watch or phone as a control surface. As for snug that depends on the person at the end of the day. I don’t have p…

What about a high traffic place like a NYC subway?

I can't speak for "hmrr" but I've used airpods everywhere: NYC subways, London underground, Bangkok's MRT, airports everywhere, and I never had an issue with them connecting. I was initially surprised when friends of mine gave me a similar claim because prior to them I had extremely bad experience with connecting or partial-connecting to devices, but they really do work that well. If yours don't, I'd expect a defect worth an exchange.

But I don't think it's just Apple's airpods either: Most of the newer bluetooth headphones work and connect almost instantly with my iPhone; I have some Bose QC35 that I can report the same speed of connection of the airpods -- maybe even a little faster. I suspect it's related to some extremely modern bluetooth version or feature-set that might be difficult to discern from the box, but I have not dug into it deeper.

This being said, my airpods sit on my desk next to my Jabra DECT headset: Bluetooth is only almost instant, but DECT is actually instant. I first saw them visiting a cell centre (inside-sales team) team in Seattle, and so I asked about them and learned "we wear this thing making cold calls sometimes every few minutes, all day long, and it doesn't suck" and that pitch sold it for me. I wish it traveled better, because if anything rings (phone, skype, teams, zoom, slack), I pick up the headset and it answers on the computer at the same time, and I'd love (somehow) to have that experience when everything is packed in my rucksack.

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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One of the biggest problems with Bluetooth for me is the lack of standardization in codecs. Top of the line using codecs that come from very really generation of Bluetooth audio transmission with horrendous latency. There isn't even a cross operating system compatible basic codec that will guarantee audio and video sync within ~50ms round-trip. There's AAC which is Apple preferred but not every android or Windows 10 support. Fallback to SBC. There's Aptx, Aptx hd, aptx ll, Aptx adaptive which has genuinely come far over iterations but no ios support and windows only supports Aptx. 500$ headphones and the best codec is AAC or SBC shouldn't be acceptable to anyone. It's not about being an audiophile. The nicest DAC in the world can't recover data lost from lossy compression. LDAC is Sony's answer but that's a android supported codec and nothing else and the nicest xm4 don't support Aptx.

The interesting thing is that Chinese companies and fiio are releasing cables and products to turn wired headphones wireless. Kz Az 09 is with looking into. I just ordered a Bluetooth cable that comes with the qcc5141 chip for 40$ and decent iems around 80$ and it will sound better than the best Apple or Sony offerings. Bluetooth 5.2 and newest Aptx adaptive and tws and voice, aac, and ldac just from a cable and can be adapted to whatever iem I want.

Fiio just released the UTWS5 for adapting iems and they have the BTR5 you can plug any headset into and those even support high impedance headphones and can be used as a USB dac.

Bluetooth 5.2 also has a new audio codec LC3. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC3_(codec)]

All that just to be able to do what regular headphone cables do. There's nothing unexpected about people hanging onto cables. They haven't really been gone, it's weird how a headphone jack is considered a budget feature for phones when cables are the best way to transmit lossless anything.

Cables never left. But the day multiple people can connect to a single Bluetooth source to watch something at the same time, that's when people will care about bluetooth.

In a different world, where hd audio wasn't stuck behind a proprietary codec in the US. There was room fm radio to take the place bluetooth audio has been forced to take.

I personally use an an app to make my headphones wifi capable. Soundwire server listens transmits audio to my android phone 40-50ms latency. I keep wired headphones plugged in at all times. I get the range of wifi. Lossless audio transmission bandwidth is so tiny in the world of wifi, it's a rock solid connection 5 to 6 times further than Bluetooth in residential locations. I once tried it at my university and could leave my laptop at one end of the building and heard it playing in the connected building due to how they set up the network. 802.1x authentication. 400ft away minimum.

I also use viper4android for on device audio equalization on android. PeaceAPO for windows 10.

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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> For disorganized types, corded headphones are easier to keep track of and needn’t be charged. This is why I've never bought wireless headphones. You don't need to be disorganized to appreciate the convenience of not having to charge yet another device you want to use on the fly. Why would I pay more for something that takes more mental bandwidth to use?

AirPods kinda solved this problem with the wireless charging case. I almost never use them long enough to drain the battery in the headphones before they get put back in the case. At night I put the case on my wireless charging thingy and I don't really ever "think" about charging my AirPods. My wireless headphones I do occasionally have to think about charging, but they are USB-C and mostly I'm using them on my comp…

I’ve just got a charging pad on my desk. In the morning I pop my watch and AirPods pro on it while I take a shower (have a HomePod mini in the bathroom so don’t need headphones) and by the time I’m done they’re charged up enough for the day. And I keep my AirPods max charged via cable in a drawer in my desk. Phone goes on the same charging pad as the watch and pro. So all in all it’s pretty easy keeping everything charged for me.

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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AirPods do have a feature where this is supposed to work automatically, without having to pair multiple devices, for all devices on the same iCloud account. It’s nice. I haven’t tried other brand headphones that can pair to multiple devices, so I can’t compare.

The AirPods do an extremely good job at this. It’s just a shame there is no standard for switching across all devices. Although apple makes use of their own servers to coordinate this so it could be difficult.

Yep they’re very good at it. I won’t say it’s fool proof. But the very occasional times they get confused isn’t so bad I’ll replace them with wired.

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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Not sure if it's just me but I got my Airpods last March and I've been using it fairly regularly for the work calls. I got an ear infection in August that was pretty severe and after consulting with an ENT specialist, I was told to not wear these for long use or constantly since it prevents the ears from naturally clearing out (which normally happens when one chews and has nothing blocking the ear canal).

So now I use them only when I absolutely need to (e.g. in noisy places, taking calls on the move) and avoid them all other times.

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I say "disconnect" but I don't mean that the 802.11 PHY driver of the computer or the base station notices that there's a disconnection. Just that there's a time-correlated burst of packet loss on some/all channels. This might not ever happen to you if you live in a bunker, or on a farmstead at least 500 feet from any neighbours. (Though I wouldn't completely discount the possibility; there's always solar storms.) Bu…

A burst of packet loss that doesn’t translate into at least a disconnection of current TCP streams is, by definition, not a disconnection.

There are plenty of connection-oriented protocols other than TCP that do experience a disconnect during these packet-loss bursts. RTP, for example.

There's a reason IP softphones are always wired, rather than being wi-fi devices — speaking RTP, they can't tolerate the somewhat-normal condition of RF-interference-induced 802.11-PHY packet-loss bursts nearly as well as devices speaking TCP can. They end up dropping calls in about the same way that Bluetooth Audio drops pairing.

(This is also most of why 802.11e QoS Traffic Categories exist — RTP is essentially hard-realtime, so even temporarily queuing RTP packets due to competing high-throughput TCP flows, could be enough to "choke out" the RTP flow.)

Re: Corded headphones are making an unexpected return

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post #181

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> Put on your wired headphones. Sit down (e.g. on the bus.) Now try taking off your shoulder-strapped bag to hold it in your lap, without first taking out your headphones. This used to bug me a lot but I've found an easy solution. Just route the wire under your t-shirt or shirt or jacket. When I'm not using my headphones, the headphones hang around my neck. If I feel like taking off my headphones and placing them on…

Do you have a length of slack cable dangling out the bottom of your shirt, like a performer wearing a lavalier mic? If not, then how do retrieve your phone from your pocket in order to change what you're listening to (or just to read something), without the cable yanking your own shirt up?

You put the slack in your pocket.
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