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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by jensensbutton »

lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by loeg »

lovich wrote: post #186
thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

I thought teachers spent much of the summer break maintaining certifications and incorporating new school regulations into their lesson plans for the next year. I don’t think it’s a 3 month break for them

My teacher friend usually gets a full-time summer job at a college prep program, totally unrelated to his school-year employer. (Anecdote.)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ajkjk »

jensensbutton wrote: post #211
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

If you wanted to work on those things I'd think the last thing you'd want is for your work to be owned by them when you're done, though.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by rightbyte »

ben_w wrote: post #44
User23 wrote: post #10

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Oracle is doing just fine. And if I had to trade places with Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Ellison, well, I’d say it’s not even close, but that implies there’s a metric at all.

Which would you choose? If I had to trade places with one of those two, I’d pick Ellison. I didn’t even bother to look up their (theoretical) net worths, because at that scale it no longer makes a difference; what does make a difference to me is Ellison’s face isn’t regularly in the news attached both to stories about how they engage in censorship by removing people who break the site rules, and to other stories abou…

Well, I guess you would do a humanity a favour replacing Zuckerberg. In Ellisons shoes you can like, make Java hip again?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by bradleyjg »

ghaff wrote: post #180
chillacy wrote: post #151

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FAANG senior engineers get in around 350-400k and with recent stock appreciation some are hitting 400-600 depending on tenure and company performance. Source: levels.fyi

Which is an exceptional level relative to just about everyone except execs at larger public companies. It's by no means remotely normal.

It’s certainly very good. But many physician specialties are in the same ballpark. Unlike executives at public companies they are a non-trivial size population. There’s also white shoe lawyers, investment bankers, and management consultants but not as many as the doctors AFAIK.

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Post by loeg »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #168
_fat_santa wrote: post #118

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Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

Facebook may be a dying company, slowly slowly slowly on the IBM timescale. Facebook is definitely on the downslide. They staved off facebook's slide by successfully picking the next social network in instagram, but now that is probably going to lose its shine. If Tiktok is the next #1... That can't be easily acquired due to Chinese ownership... They'll try the "metaverse" but man that is a big leap, and they are alr…

$FB is up like 30% YTD? So by any reasonable standard on any reasonable timeframe, the smart money says it isn’t “dying.”

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by raydev »

ajkjk wrote: post #213
jensensbutton wrote: post #211

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I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

If you wanted to work on those things I'd think the last thing you'd want is for your work to be owned by them when you're done, though.

Not everybody wants to be a founder or deal with the bad WLB of a startup.

It's nice to be paid a reliable 400k/year and work on something you think is cool.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by passivate »

endisneigh wrote: post #3

employees of all companies are more willing to leave lately. for this to be meaningful it needs to control for that.

It's worse than that. We're assuming "X says [..]" is equivalent to a factual statement. Its the typical weasel wording by modern media which is simply looking to report click-bait/gossip (he says, she says), rather than expending any effort to verifying and reporting facts.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by MertsA »

varjag wrote: post #63
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

> despite being on the wrong continent.

Unless that continent is Antarctica I don't see the problem here.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ldehaan »

Jap2-0 wrote: post #201
thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

> considering they only work 9/12 months I think many teachers (almost all that I know, and all of the good ones) would disagree with you on that. Lesson planning, training/continuing education, scheduling, etc. > many of them find side jobs ..why? That is to say, I'm sure most people on here could get a side job if they wanted to. Is there a reason why teachers get side jobs and, say, programmers don't? (Yes, that's…

Programmers get side jobs all the time. That's usually how you start your own business in my experience. People who work with people do it because that's what drives them and they find fulfillment in that job.
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