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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

helge9210 wrote: post #201
yonixw wrote: post #146

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1) Molotov != Protest 2) > follow the history of the region > terrorize their neighbors Counter example: 2005: Israel unilateral dismantling of the 21 Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip 2007: Hamas takeover of Gaza 2007: Gaza Blockade I do not think we see the history of the region in the same way.

> Molotov != Protest Molotov is not only a protest, it is a peaceful protest without weapon which is a human right. > Hamas takeover of Gaza You do know, that Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza, don't you?

> You do know, that Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza

Now how do you argue with someone who has the very basics of the conflict wrong.

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Post by starik36 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #185
LegitShady wrote: post #178

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because it would compromise means and methods

Tough. The logical consequence of “we can’t show you the proof” is “okay, I don’t believe that you have any”. After all, you would not believe my assertions about fantastical achievements without evidence, and the consequences of that hypothetical are much lower than the state saying it should be able to kill people in the name of “counter terrorism”. More succinctly; “it would compromise means and methods” is a phen…

All the evidence of Russian collusion and hacking is almost always presented without any evidence whatsoever. Yet no one in the mainstream media thinks to question it.

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Post by pron »

pron wrote: post #70
Leparamour wrote: post #34

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> I don't think you would if you don't rely on vulgarism, so please shoot. Define vulgarism in this context? The non-PC answer would be ethnic nepotism and corrupting influence through AIPAC and ADL. Jews are heavily overrepresented throughout every circle of power and influence (media, academia, business, politics) and trying to reign in Israel would mean going against that entrenched jewish power block which any pr…

White men are also overrepresented throughout every circle of power and influence in America (and their corrupting ethnic nepotism is well-established), and Jewish people don't use whatever power they have any more than any other ethnic, social, or religious group. Just a reminder, antisemitism is the belief that "the Jews" secretly pull the levers of power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Definition

Unlike the myth, called antisemitism, that Jews control the world, the US actually is ruled by a minority group -- white men: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/26/white-male-m...

While Jews are overrepresented, their numbers are so low that even with that overrepresentation they don't hold much power in absolute terms. Moreover, Jewish people are more diverse politically than other groups, and so cannot be considered as a cohesive unit. For example, in America, white men lean Republican at about the same rate as Jews lean Democrat, but Christian Evangelicals lean Republican more strongly than Jews lean Democrat.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

Quanttek wrote: post #133
q1w2 wrote: post #108

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Firstly, your source is incredibly biased - it is a Palestinian advocacy organization. Secondly, you make the claim that they attained the evidence by torture - with no evidence of such. The fact remains that two Palestinian accountants testified in court that these "charity" organizations were funneling money to the PFLP terrorist organization. HRW and AI may not think that the evidence is strong enough, and maybe i…

1. it's not an "advocacy organization" but a magazine. And this a) doesn't change the fact that the dossier provides no evidence and b) other media has reported on the dossier, including The Intercept [1]. 2. I only mentioned that torture has been alleged. Shin Bet has a long-standing pattern of using torture and other inhuman or degrading treatment to obtain confessions. 3. These two disgraced accountants only provi…

Seeing how they choose to manipulate the information, I can no longer take anything Intercept publishes seriously.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-int...

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

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Post by kingcharles »

otrahuevada wrote: post #149
Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Unless you count the oddly vague couple admissions extracted under torture from some random accountants as evidence of something, which you shouldn't because torture is not and shouldn't ever be considered a valid way to extract actionable information, being "fair" has nothing to do with what is being done here.

Having been interrogated myself, it's incredible how defiant I was until my interrogators threatened my wife, and at that point I told them I'd do whatever they wanted.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

jjcon wrote: post #210
cultofmetatron wrote: post #206

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Palestinians live in an apartheid state so I'd argue very much that this is a human rights issue. (I know I'll get lots of downvotes for this and I accept that)

> Palestinians live in an apartheid state I’m not sure that means what you think it does

they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land. their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. What am I missing here?

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Post by pthread_t »

asadlionpk wrote: post #187

I feel like many pro-Israel commentators here are a coordinated low quality effort to derail conversation using “tactics”. I feel this happens on the daily bases online. I remember reading about it; Israel’s strategy to train their online citizens to do this.

There's an app for that:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/act-il/id1141853455

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Post by starik36 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #169
koheripbal wrote: post #136

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Since when is testimony from their own Palestinian accountants not considered evidence?

> The dossier relies almost entirely on the interrogation of Said Abedat and Amru Hamudeh, who worked as accountants for the Union of Health Committees, a separate group which was outlawed in January 2020. Both were reportedly fired in 2019 for embezzling funds, and were later detained by the Shin Bet. Their lawyers could not be reached for comment. Not their own accountants

Why are you splitting hairs??? They worked as accountants through 2019. So obviously they have knowledge of where the funds were being funneled to.

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Post by asadlionpk »

pthread_t wrote: post #217
asadlionpk wrote: post #187

I feel like many pro-Israel commentators here are a coordinated low quality effort to derail conversation using “tactics”. I feel this happens on the daily bases online. I remember reading about it; Israel’s strategy to train their online citizens to do this.

There's an app for that: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/act-il/id1141853455

Insane that Apple allows this!

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Post by skinkestek »

sndman wrote: post #130
skinkestek wrote: post #33

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Yes, that map which the Arabs never accepted. Please also keep in mind that Israel have occupied far more land - and promptly given it back as soon as a lasting peace agreement with the country in question was signed (more or less the entire Sinai. And the country who signed a lasting peace treaty and never had trouble with Israel again is Egypt). Also, please keep in mind that significant more Jews has been chased o…

While it may be true that Jews were "chased out of the surrounding Arab countries", this doesn't justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. A crime is a crime. Let's be clear, forcibly removing an indigenous population of over 750,000 people (this included my parents) is a crime. These refugees and their decedents have a right to return to their land. This has to be acknowledged and only then will the region move on.…

All you write until the part about South Africa more or less makes sense but you are leaving out a whole lot:

Yes, forcibly removing 750 000 people can absolutely be considered a crime.

But what then about the more than 750 000 Jews that were forcibly removed from their homes in the neighboring countries?

Should they also have the right to return?

Does it matter that Arab leadership encouraged your parents and others to leave? (In addition to the barbaric actions of certain Israeli groups.)

Because both sides are displaced, only your side was on top of that also betrayed by their own leadership and used as a pawn while the Israeli side took care of its own people including to a large degree Arabs who chose to stay.

When it comes to South Africa I have close friends and even relatives there. A fellow sysadmin friend of mine got knocked to the ground there by a gun (used to hit, not shoot) just last year in a robbery. People have to use guns, barbed wire and more to protect themselves. Politics is more or less crazy as far as I understand.

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