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An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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The daily and seasonal temperate variations are quite low. Seems like that would be good for smooth operations year around. https://weatherspark.com/y/298/Average-Weather-in-Prince-Rup...

Yes! On one hand, very little snow (and if there is snow, it melts soon enough). On the other hand, no real summer, either. Just rainy season, and less rainy season :-)

> Just rainy season, and less rainy season :-)

Calling it British Columbia certainly tracks then!

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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I’ve seen this kind of thing happen at companies. There is a serious problem that all the lower level people know about, but nobody says anything to the higher ups because nobody wants to be seen as a troublemaker and potentially lose their job. Everyone assumes that eventually it will become so bad that the higher ups will notice. That rarely happens in my experience. Instead things become bad and the solution is la…

See this recent article on the thermocline of truth: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27977056

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OK so this is essentially a self-written news story that was manipulated to make it feel-good. That's bad . Also, now that I know I'm manipulated, I'm skeptical that the changes will have the outcome that they want. It could but it's not good that you've told me you've manipulated me. That's also bad .

The fact that a story is written in a way that is easy for humans to understand and share is not "manipulative", it's just good communication.

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I think we can summarize that the solution is to remove things that prevent the free market from functioning properly. Here are some additional ideas:

-Unions are good for representing workers in negotiations with private companies. Taxpayers do not have anyone to represent them in negotiations with public unions. Disallow unions in government jobs. Government already has enough corruption and inefficiency.

-Dismantle the patent system. Ideas are worthless, execution is everything.

-Abolish the limited liability company. We saw in the mortgage crisis that allowing private companies to profit by putting risk on the public shoulders leads to disaster.

-Publish all tax records and make a constitutional amendment that all prices paid must be public. The free market makes the basic assumption that all prices paid and offered are public information.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Does the port charge container owners for storing empties? Ramp up the storage fee, and voila... empty containers go back on empty boats that would otherwise make the return trip with no load. Container owners will find that shipping them back with a reasonable premium to keep ships around long enough to pick up the empties eventually costs less than storing them at the port. Aside, I'd love to have an empty containe…

you can find containers for $400 online, maybe even free, if you have a truck to pick up..

I've been tempted to pay someone to pour a concrete pad and buy a few to try and build a cabin on. With prices that low it's worth looking at.

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Counterpoint, sometimes it's better to let the system burn, or else the root cause will never be addressed. Treating the symptoms can take the pressure off solving the root cause.

Correct! If we simply let the person die of cancer, we can properly investigate the tumor when they are dead.

I should have given more context. In cases where incentives are deeply, structurally misaligned, and it will take heroic effort and significant luck to yield an order of magnitude improvement over the status quo, we should consider "letting it burn" as an option, and recognize the total cost of treating the symptoms. The global logistics quagmire may be a candidate for nuclear-ish options. Agree with you on the cancer patient scenario.

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Increasing a buffer size can also make it look like the problem is solved temporarily when you really have a rate issue. It seems that filled containers are coming in at a faster rate than empty containers are going out. We've increased the buffer for empty containers at the dock but did we address the outgoing rate problem? Why wouldn't the buffer just fill again? I wonder if we've reached a point where manufacturin…

From the tweets, "containers are not fungible". Cosco containers need to be returned to X, Maersk containers go back to Y, etc. If you can't sort and aggregate your empties efficiently, you further slow down the rate of return.

It's like we forgot the most fundamental goal of containers: to be fungible.. containers?

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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1. LB residents don't want that, and limit of 2 has worked until now. Height restrictions are nearly universal in the US and this is not a California/Long Beach specific problem. Sure you can argue there the balance is too lopsided and limit of 2 is too restrictive for industry. I tend to believe a port town is an industrial town. If you live there, you should expect to see the industrial side. I grew up in Houston a…

Again, why should one LB resident get to decide what another LB business does? Just because this sort of restriction is common doesn't mean it's right.

Ok but that that's a complete fork for the conversation. You're talking in terms of a philosophical land usage/property right debate; I see your point. I might not completely agree with it, but I see it. However, I'm not trying to have a philosophical debate. I'm talking about real terms of the world we live in today where it's highly unlikely anyone is going to be able to scrap all the existing rules, laws, norms, etc and come up with some new construct.

I am unaware of any place where neighboring property owners are not considered when contemplating what a property owner is allowed to do. You're saying the property owner shouldn't be regulated at all, which is fine except you're not the decision maker and other people will disagree with you. The net effect is what we have now. It's not perfect, some people will always disagree but the idea is it works for most people most of the time.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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I suppose it's not fair, but I was disappointed after reading the title, hoping that the article would be an assessment on whether changing the container stacking rule has made a difference yet. There seems to be a fair amount of skepticism that the stacking rule was having a large negative impact, so I was excited to see an assessment of how/if it's made any difference.

It (helped) to solve one of the problems. Others remain, but it's a good first step.

Did it help? That's the question. We should have enough data to get preliminary results.

I search Google news just about every day and all I can find is people patting themselves on the back for getting the rule changed, but nothing about whether the rule change has made a difference.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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> is the only one worth going into Sure, when your critical system goes down an RCA is hugely important and ultimately you have to apply a fix that addresses the core issue to avoid it happening again in the future. But, at the time that the system is actually down it seems like the most important first step (once you understand the problem) is to get the system running again ASAP. This can give you the runway to fix…

For us software developers, it seems like the shipping industry has the container equivalent of a memory leak (a "container leak" if you will). Then the stacking rule change is the equivalent of simply adding more memory to the system, it doesn't fix the problem, but it buys you some more time of normal system operation before the next out-of-memory crash. Hopefully they use this time they bought to work on an actual…

No, it isn't a leak as the containers are empty but not garbage. It is very common to allocate extra memory that isn't used - in garbage collected languages you often need to fight the garbage collector for maximum performance in specific ways - which means you will have empty objects just waiting to be filled. You will get around to them eventually, but for now they are just taking up memory. If you allocate more of these objects than you have physical ram you will start swapping - but there is no leak, you will eventually either use them, or destroy them.

If you don't worth in latency senstive applications you might not have encountered a situation where you need to apply the above tricks.

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