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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by moron4hire » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

carlisle_ wrote: post #188

dvt wrote: post #159

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> Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? There are plenty of trends happening on the "other side" which are also veritably nuts, so I don't find this to be a very compelling argument. The ad hominem doesn't help, either.

This is called “whataboutism”.

Just a note: right-wing conservatives don't see "whataboutism" to be a fallacy.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by arcticbull » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

leephillips wrote: post #198

arcticbull wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was taking humans political opinions as the sum of a sum of independent random variables :) still may have been a bit of flourish, I suppose.

Sorry, still doesn’t mean that the quantity that you’re averaging (position on the left-right political spectrum?) will be normally distributed. In fact, it almost certainly won’t be. But it’s a common error.

Well, thank you for letting me know!

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by jimt1234 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

There's a lot of comments along the lines of "How could the governor be this dumb?" or "Does he seriously expect this to succeed in court?" I recall an interview with Kevin Mitnick where he talked about a prosecutor arguing in court that he could start a nuclear war with a payphone (or something like that???). Kevin just sat there, listening to the prosecutor, thinking to himself that no judge could be so stupid as to believe that. Wrong. Kevin ended up sitting in jail for years based largely on the belief that he could whistle into a phone a launch nukes.

The point is, yes, the courts are, or can be, that stupid, especially when it comes to "hacking". Just ask Kevin Mitnick.

Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by zepto » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

bastardoperator wrote: post #156

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

You're making it about sides. Facts are not one sided. If someone speaking truth makes you feel bothered, that's your problem, not theirs. We should be able to speak to one another without getting emotional about which team someone aligns with. Republicans are fostering anti-intellectualism which is (in fact) anti-science. From my perspective you'd be alienating yourself out of spite. This goes for Democrats or any p…

The problem is that democrats are also fostering anti-science anti-intellectualism.

Which side is worse is a matter of opinion. Personally I think they are both dangerous and won’t identify myself with either party as a result.

The result is that there is no point in leveling this accusation as part of a debate about something substantive, unless you just want to derail the conversation into a meaningless partisan bashing match.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

TheCondor wrote: post #173

lowkey_ wrote: post #111

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> it teaches students how to think critically Most colleges have done the opposite in recent years. They provide echo-chambers for emotionally-fueled pseudoscience. I've seen this while spending time at Boston University, Harvard, Brown, and Columbia. It's frightening how little people are able to think or question anything once they've gone through the college system. They become frightened by and angry at truths th…

Please elaborate.. Did these people have world views that they didn't wish to have challenged and feel it was detrimental to challenge themselves? Or were they actually taught something detrimental? What is the nature of this pseudo-science?

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Re: Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found security flaw in state site

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Post by lostlogin » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

charonn0 wrote: post #134

sillysaurusx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this a partisan issue. I live in Missouri. I've voted for Republicans in the past. You're alienating people like me from being on your side. It doesn't matter that you're probably right. It comes across as you posting this to make yourself feel good, and holy moly the sense of superiority from your camp needs a chill pill. Parson is evil. I'll be doing my duty as a citizen and trying to vote him out…

> You're alienating people like me from being on your side. On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem. On the other side are ignorant and/or dishonest actors out to avoid being embarrassed. It's all on you if you pick the wrong one out of loyalty to a political party.

> On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem. On the other side are ignorant and/or dishonest actors out to avoid being embarrassed. It's all on you if you pick the wrong one out of loyalty to a political party.

A two party system has basically set this up to occur.

I can’t see that it could ever be changed, but it’s utterly toxic.

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Post by zzzeek » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #191

cornhole wrote: post #143

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why should we have to coddle you

Practical answer? Because their vote in the ballot box is exactly as strong as any other voter's. From a pure realpolitik standpoint, alienating voters who can be convinced to do the right thing is just foolishness.

with all due respect there is almost no evidence that republican voters ever "switch sides". it's not a thing. these people aren't voting against their own in any useful numbers no matter what.

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Post by mdp2021 » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

fighterpilot wrote: post #175

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

The left has its fair share of growing anti-science sentiment. I agree it's quite a bit worse with Republicans but it is growing in both directions, which is a concern. People pick their science a la carte as long as it confirms what they want. - Denial of the science of sex differences - Denial of the science of intelligence differences, the relevance of intelligence in life outcomes and how heritable it is - Belief…

Then (as it was already well known and evident) you have a deeper problem with a faulty political system, that creates monstrous overgrowths of mental patterns begging for votes instead of progressive ("look-up-to") models.

Telling example: "We believe in self-determination" // "There are unclaimed votes available in those anti-abortionist tribes" // "Ok then, we take them". This should be a joke, not an event. There is a systemic issue.

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Post by 0xy » Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

abvdasker wrote: post #47

I'll risk making this a partisan issue and say the anti-intellectual and anti-science bent seems increasingly prevalent among Republicans like Mike Parson and their constituencies. One of the most shocking statistics I've seen recently is the Pew poll which shows that in the space of 2 years Republican attitudes about higher education saw a 20-point swing such that that most Republican voters now believe college is n…

College is a net detriment to society. The business model of colleges is 'lie to young people and then saddle them with thousands of dollars in crushing debt for questionably valuable degrees'.

The growth in the cost of college hasn't improved standards, but rather it served to fatten administration departments at colleges.

Additionally, quality is dropping severely. I've seen it first hand. I can't count on two hands the amount of new grads from "quality" schools with their shiny CS degrees who cannot write code. Not leetcode, just any code. They can't solve business problems at all. It's like they learned to pass tests. That's CS, which still has some value. What about useless degrees like Political Science or Gender Studies? Those are outright scams given the results. The victims are young people.