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Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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I'm pretty sure this refers to Roku's top level search which searches across all apps not the search inside the YouTube app.

Why are you pretty sure about that? From what I have read about it, it seems the argument is very much for search results within the youtube app.

I am sure of this. I help lead search for Hulu and Disney+ and own a RokuTV. Roku already allows you the option to voice search inside the app you are already in (this has to be enabled by the Roku app developer I believe).

This definitely refers to the universal search Roku offers, and, if true, is an absurd ask on Google's part.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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It's doubly weird, because YouTube TV is literally just a side project -- There's at least a 50% chance Google just totally shuts down YouTube TV within the next five years. (Like they already did with Google Play Music, and Google Play Movies + TV once before). Google's going to war with Roku over something that Google doesn't care about at all (it's one minor ancillary line of business to them), but is Roku's main…

>Like they already did with Google Play Music, and Google Play Movies + TV once before GPM didn't get shut down, it got switched over to YTM. If you want to use that as an example for what might happen to YTTV, then it'd be YTTV getting moved over to an inferior rebrand that occupies the same space. And I don't know what you're talking about with Play Movies and TV. It's still there.

> And I don't know what you're talking about with Play Movies and TV. It's still there.

Google Play Movies and TV was shutdown earlier this year to be replaced (sort of) with YouTube TV -- the same "YouTube TV" in the article above.

https://twitter.com/liliputingnews/status/138170402082645197...

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-movies-shutdown...

The shutdown of Google Play Movies and TV and the stuffing of parts of that system into "YouTube TV", is sort of the original catalyst for how Roku and YouTube TV got into this fight in the first place.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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>Like they already did with Google Play Music, and Google Play Movies + TV once before GPM didn't get shut down, it got switched over to YTM. If you want to use that as an example for what might happen to YTTV, then it'd be YTTV getting moved over to an inferior rebrand that occupies the same space. And I don't know what you're talking about with Play Movies and TV. It's still there.

> And I don't know what you're talking about with Play Movies and TV. It's still there. Google Play Movies and TV was shutdown earlier this year to be replaced (sort of) with YouTube TV -- the same "YouTube TV" in the article above. https://twitter.com/liliputingnews/status/138170402082645197... https://www.androidauthority.com/google-play-movies-shutdown... The shutdown of Google Play Movies and TV and the stuffing…

The service itself was not shut down. It still exists. It's not supported on the same platforms as it was before.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Yeah I liked them initially, but have since thrown out all their crap and bought Apple TVs. Once Apple got Amazon prime streaming roku lost their only differentiating feature. The ads really annoyed me to the extent that I don’t care if they fail.

I have been on Roku forever now and I'm always wondering about these people freaking out about the ads there. It is no where close to the ad intrusion of YouTube. They are not animated, have no sound, and basically stay out of the way. It's like the shinning example of how to do ads.

Roku ads take up the entire right half of the main launch screen, visible every time you turn on the TV or change apps. They've recently started displaying branded ads that are even more intrusive, taking over the entire theme + wallpaper (I recall they did this for Mandalorian, Soul, some other big movie launches).

YouTube ads help fund content creators. Roku ads are being displayed on a stand alone device that I already paid $100 for.

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The competitive landscape for what is turning out to be the next evolution of in-home video content delivery is just making me realize that the content is not worth the hassle. I'm not going to replace a $100/mo CATV subscription with 10 (or even 5) $10/mo individual subscriptions, where I have to constantly remember which service provides a particular show. I'm not going to have multiple dongles and devices to watch…

Sounds like there is room for a service that aggregates all your streaming services into a single portal. They could even include services you don't want into a 'bundle' for 'free'. Then they could work with ISPs to bundle their content aggregation service with internet for one convenient price. Then they could make an appliance called a 'cable' box so home users can stream all these 'channels' to any device they wan…

LOL, it is almost painful to admit that the current systems may already be somewhat close to optimized in a number of ways.

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A raspberry pi will do 4k, HDR AV1 and h265, and includes a remote, case, storage, power supply and HDMI cable?

A raspberry pi 4 will, and the accessories are relatively cheap: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/build-the-ultimate-4k-home-...

Will it? I didn't know that rpi had any HW support for AV1.

Last I checked, there wasn't any player capable of doing HDR10 HEVC either, but maybe that has changed.

I like the rpi but I don't think its as capable as people are making it out to be.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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It is so dumb and twisted that there even needs to be a deal. Any web browser can hit youtube, you can probably get to youtube via a web browser anyway on a roku, if not they could in principle do that. Also dumb and twisted that as a paying youtube subscriber, I could buy a computer (a roku) and not be allowed to access youtube on it. Do better, tech.

I find it more annoying that standard websites don't just work on a Roku. I'd rather Google didn't have to maintain yet another app for yet another proprietary device, it should all just be build on open standards.

YouTube app for TVs is a web app everywhere, including Android TV.

The twist? Google requires OEM not to use a standard browser, they require OEMs to use Cobalt, yet another google web browser (whose feature set is too small to actually use as a Web browser)

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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If it was just as capable, then people would buy Raspberry Pi's. The problem isn't hardware capability, it's the ecosystem on top of it. Pi doesn't have a robust tv platform and app market system that is built around a remote control. Sure, you can run plex on it but even plex has long abandoned its streaming app platform and decided to roll its own TV service instead... Part of me wishes that Plex would have stuck w…

> The problem isn't hardware capability, it's the ecosystem on top of it. The parent comment stated that the $100 doesn't cover the cost of the hardware. I disagree. I do think it is perhaps a more reasonable statement to say $100 doesn't cover the cost of the hardware and the software platform on top of it . I don't think it's right to shove ads down customer's throat on a product that they've paid money for. Whethe…

I think the comment you're referring to is incorrect in that regard - of course $100 pays (or at least paid pre-chip-shortage) for the bulk-purchased chips and boards in the products, but people buy it because of the streaming services on the box, not because it has a Cortex-A55 in it (although that plays into choosing it over the 1080p model).

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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I'm pretty sure this refers to Roku's top level search which searches across all apps not the search inside the YouTube app.

Why are you pretty sure about that? From what I have read about it, it seems the argument is very much for search results within the youtube app.

I have a Roku. YouTube's app, along with all others I have used, only search content within that app.
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