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Post by wildrhythms »

rpdillon wrote: post #202

I'm intrigued by the use of webapps in this way, but I really think we need a better solution for rebinding keys in the browser. I tend to use Emacs bindings (which practically every editor supports), but they are a bit of a mess in browsers because even extensions can't clobber bindings like C-n, and I recall having issues with C-w and C-p as well. Otherwise, very exciting to have high-quality, zero-install tooling…

I'm not an emacs user, but I am a vim user and I've been successfully using VS Code Remote + VSCodeVim the past few months from a Chrome browser without any keybind issues. I'm curious what exact keypresses the browser is struggling to intercept?

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Post by ezfe »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #198
lostintangent wrote: post #65

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I'm really sorry to hear you had this experience :( I'm not sure who you spoke with, but this perspective definitely isn't representative of the team and/or how I'd ever want to see us talk with developers. I'm actually a PM for both Live Share, Codespaces, and some of our education-related experiences (e.g. the GitHub Classroom extension for VS Code). A web client for collaboration, with zero-install/onboarding, has…

Hey! I'm curious how vscode.dev fits in with GitHub Codespaces. Are they competing products, or is Codespaces only a superset of the other?

Codespaces provides a backend/server so you can install plugins and run build scripts. You can't do that with this site.

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Post by canada_dry »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #4

This seems really cool, and seems like it took a lot of man hours to put together. However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode. The browser version will always be a compromised experience, given the inherent limitations of browser applications. Even if it works 99% of the time, that 1% would add enough friction to…

> I'm not sure who this is for.

Especially since many extensions are incompatible.

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Post by jongalloway2 »

jaywalk wrote: post #132
imafish wrote: post #102

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VS community is also free :)

Yes, but it has a very significant licensing restriction that prevents it from being used to develop commercial software. VS Code has no such restriction.

A little oversimplified - Visual Studio Community can be used to develop commercial software, with restrictions to (summarizing) 5 conccurrent users in non-enterprise organizations. https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/license-terms/mlt031819/

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Post by abrowne »

Zababa wrote: post #116
coldtea wrote: post #25

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> However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode It's like how nerdy types could easily slap together their own Dropbox, with rsync and duct tape (as per the famous comment), but most didn't - plus the world is not just full of types who'd do it. And then MS can start adding all kinds of collaboration tools built in,…

> Well, offline VSCode is a glorified browser as well. It's the opposite, you download an OS that runs VSCode. That OS is a web browser. It's just that it's an OS that runs on other OSes.

Ubuntu is my hypervisor.

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Post by brundolf »

minimaxir wrote: post #19

For those who think web-based IDEs are inefficient, I recommend giving VS Code in the browser a try: nowadays it's just as performant as it is on the desktop. Even on the iPad it's just as performant (with 120Hz scrolling!), although as noted in the announcement, the file system limitations make it a bit of a pain to work with for ad hoc coding.

There would be no performance difference (at least at the UI layer) between a web app running in the browser and the same web app running in Electron, so this doesn't really demonstrate anything new WRT performance

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Post by makeitdouble »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #4

This seems really cool, and seems like it took a lot of man hours to put together. However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode. The browser version will always be a compromised experience, given the inherent limitations of browser applications. Even if it works 99% of the time, that 1% would add enough friction to…

> iPads and Chromebooks). I just don't see that being much of a use case though, except in desperate circumstances where a more capable dev machine isn't available.

A number of schools dispatch iPads and Chromebooks to their students. They can hook a keyboard and a mouse, and with vscode.dev they now have a decent dev machine.

Sure parents could buy a windows/linux/macos laptop, but outside of the cost, maintenance is not trivial (parents wishing to restrict access to whatever resource will have a harder time)

To push a bit farther, there are pretty powerful and usable Chromebooks, and iPads are now on par with most laptop when it comes to processing power, especially JS. Extending their role to be able to code a bunch is nothing to sneeze at.

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Post by ghuntley »

CJefferson wrote: post #92
ARandumGuy wrote: post #4

This seems really cool, and seems like it took a lot of man hours to put together. However, I'm not sure who this is for. Downloading and installing an application is not a particularly big ask for the type of people who use VSCode. The browser version will always be a compromised experience, given the inherent limitations of browser applications. Even if it works 99% of the time, that 1% would add enough friction to…

I teach coding to new programmers, in particular kids, and every step is a pain. In particular, since we had to go fully remote it's really hard to even get people started. Anything where I can just say "go to this website, start typing python/javascript, see cool stuff happen" is cool.

Hey, Geoff from Gitpod here. I agree! Check out https://gitpod.io/blog/workshops-as-code

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Post by charrondev »

Zababa wrote: post #117
JasonCannon wrote: post #78

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>Well, offline VSCode is a glorified browser as well. Not really, it may use electron for the front end, but a huge amount of what makes vscode useful and fast is the native binaries that power all of its functionality.

What are those native binaries? I know that VSCode ships with ripgrep, but that's the limit of my knowledge. Those binaries probably could be compiled to WASM to make VSCode fully run in a browser too.

Language servers for any non JavaScript language? Python, rust, Go, C++, and many more.

Additionally the ability to say.. start a web server and run it? The ability to run the actual generated binaries from any of those other languages?

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Post by 1shooner »

dlisboa wrote: post #97
geoffeg wrote: post #72

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Sadly still limited to teams or enterprise users. I hope they open it up to individual contributors soon.

I've used Gitpod ( https://www.gitpod.io/ ) for this same scenario and it's available for anyone, way cheaper than Github Codespaces (possibly free depending on your usage), and it works really, really well. It felt like coding in the future.

We're starting to set up Gitpod for LAMP apps (e.g. Drupal), and it seems to work well with docker-in-docker running each part of that stack in their respective containers.
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