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Post by skeletron »

jml78 wrote: post #206
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What his views are? That he was deeply upset his trans friend committed suicide, that he feels it was at least partly because she defended him online, that Twitter sucks and people do things there they would never in life, that he made a trust for Daphne’s daughter, that he is against bathroom laws, that he used his platform to try and stop the bullying of people with social media, that he is a true advocate for free…

By your post you justify that racism is ok because people should just accept people should be free to have ideas. I agree, they can have those ideas but they aren’t free from the consequences of having shitty ideas. Yes I believe people can change. As for his views, he straight up said he was a trans exclusionary radical feminist. He said it multiple times in the special. Go look at what that means. He is AGAINST leg…

Holding gender critical beliefs isn't at all similar to racism.

With racism, the racists are denying other people's humanity, based on race. That ideology centres around the notion of a group of humans being somehow subhuman.

This isn't the case with 'terfs' - they're not denying or diminishing anyone's humanity, they're simply saying that whether you're a woman or a man is determined by your biological sex, rather than a proclaimed gender identity.

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Post by xpaqui »

terminatornet wrote: post #103

There's a point in the new special where Dave brings up the anti-transgender bathroom bill that was passed and then repealed in North Carolina. When he mentions it, an audience member enthusiastically cheers for it and Dave has to immediately clarify that he's against it. If the points you're trying to make are so unclear that people are enthusiastically cheering for anti-trans laws, you may not be anti-trans, but yo…

Yes, we shouldn't allow people to have the wrong opinions.

If these people use Dave as the beacon for anti-trans opinions, the person who created a trust fund for the daughter of trans person who killed herself, maybe they aren't that good at anti-trans, just saying.

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Post by caeril »

jml78 wrote: post #206
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What his views are? That he was deeply upset his trans friend committed suicide, that he feels it was at least partly because she defended him online, that Twitter sucks and people do things there they would never in life, that he made a trust for Daphne’s daughter, that he is against bathroom laws, that he used his platform to try and stop the bullying of people with social media, that he is a true advocate for free…

By your post you justify that racism is ok because people should just accept people should be free to have ideas. I agree, they can have those ideas but they aren’t free from the consequences of having shitty ideas. Yes I believe people can change. As for his views, he straight up said he was a trans exclusionary radical feminist. He said it multiple times in the special. Go look at what that means. He is AGAINST leg…

> He is AGAINST legislation for trans rights.

Anybody who is FOR legislation of "rights" predicated on a non-falsifiable self-proclamation is almost certainly an idiot.

I don't dispute that gender dysphoria is real, it most certainly is. I don't dispute that living this way in a world that doesn't acknowledge who you are is a real bummer.

But advocating for legal recognition of a person's declaration, a word that cannot be objectively falsified, is absolutely a recipe for disaster. For every legitimately gender-dysphoric person, I bet there is a sexual predator rubbing his hands in anticipation for access to womens' spaces. And by what standard can the legal system deny them?

And why stop at gender? What stops me from falsely identifying as Black in order to qualify for scholarships or other programs intended to correct societal imbalances? By what right does a legal system that accepts the premise of subjective declaration as truth stop me from claiming Tribal casino profits or squatting on indigenous land?

It is the very height of idiocy to believe that a system of laws could possibly rest upon non-falsifiable claims.

Does it suck to live with identify disorders of any kind? Yes, absolutely. But should we upend our entire value system of objectivity of law in order to address it? Hell no.

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Post by skinkestek »

bawolff wrote: post #105
bko wrote: post #79

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> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

Given the current job market and political climate in tech, i find it hard to believe that a high skill employee would be passed over because they attended a pro-trans protest/walk-stoppage along with thousand other people. I don't think most people would even consider such a person to be an activist employee. The person who leaked confidential data - yes, i could see that being a red flag in hiring.

Personally I think there is a fair chance that unless many of these are really good, Netflix will be more productive a month later, not less.

I also think for a large demographic it will make Netflix a more interesting employeer, not less.

I'm in talks with a FAANG company now and this is an actual worry that I have but cannot discuss with my point of contact, that I will be canceled shortly after I'm hired either because of my friends, my views or something I said half a life ago.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

xpaqui wrote: post #210
krainboltgreene wrote: post #156

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I feel like the multimillionare comedian in question is doing fine. Every other comedian I know is doing fine as well. Even the "canceled" comedians seem to be doing just fine.

> Even the "canceled" comedians seem to be doing just fine. I feel this is a gross generalization, are we talking about CK Lewis or Daphne? What's the line for doing fine, losing a year of gigs, working in another area, not dead, not in a mental institution? This "cancel" culture is unproductive and pitting people against people for misunderstandings that wouldn't hold water in real life.

You could have at least looked up CK Lewis' current success, which has it's own wikipedia entry featuring the subject of this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.#2020%E2%80%93presen...

Either way, it's also really really dark and disturbing for you to attribute Daphne's suicide to "cancelation".

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Post by t0mbstone »

native_samples wrote: post #193
RickJWagner wrote: post #160

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Enough mob justice. It's time for a return to decency. Let the 1k go, if they must. They can walk out with their heads high and feeling like they've made a statement. But also let Chappelle continue to earn a living and hold his head high. There's room for both. Let the cancellations cease forthwith.

Let them go or plan to phase them out of the firm regardless of what happens? These sorts of events keep happening. At this point the pattern is very clear: if you hire very left wing employees then you're building the firm on an unexploded bomb. You can't predict what will cause it to go off or when it will occur, but it seems likely that at some point it will. How do you as an executive build robustness to this typ…

Maybe companies should adopt a practice of only hiring middle-of-the-road rational, calm, level-headed people, instead of people who are far left or far right?

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Post by dang »

over_the_raibow wrote: post #201
dang wrote: post #173

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Would you please stop creating accounts that use HN primarily for ideological battle? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. As you know, we ban such accounts regardless of what they're for or against. I've banned this one. If you want to use HN as intended—for intellectual curiosity—then you're welcome, but ideological agendas are the opposite of that, irrespective of which ideology. https:/…

>If you want to use HN as intended—for intellectual curiosity—then you're welcome, but ideological agendas are the opposite of that, irrespective of which ideology. You may not be interested in any ideology, but Ideology is surely interested in what you believe. That world where internet was for intellectual curiosity and not ideology battle at every step, is long gone and never coming back.

Maybe so, but the site guidelines haven't changed. If we have to ban more accounts for breaking them, that's fine. It's certainly better than not banning them.

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Post by lkey »

pseudo0 wrote: post #138
lkey wrote: post #67

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More black trans women were violently murdered in 2020 than in any other year since HRC began tracking. https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-tra... 2021 is looking to surpass that... Part of his criticism was centered around how the 'alphabet people' have made rapid strides, but that conveniently forgets that black people can be gay or trans too, and also haven't made the same gains white LGBTQ fo…

It's rather disingenuous to point at the increase in murders like that, given how 2020 saw a huge spike in murders year over year for the general population. So 44 trans people were murdered in 2020, out of a total of 21,570 in the US [0]. Estimates for the trans population range from 0.39% [1] to 0.58% [2]. That's about 2-3x lower than we'd expect, as a population of that size with an equivalent murder rate would ha…

So sure, mentioning deaths is inflammatory, but not without context. It was in reply to the parent comment's (and Chappelle's) narrative of 'the trans community has somehow been too successful'.

Additionally, a black trans death is precisely what Chappelle used to justify his own monologue.

Analyses like you just did do feel authoritative, but it is important to remember that HRC only began tracking these things in 2013, and given the state of play in the US, I wouldn't expect it to be a complete survey for quite some time.

Quoting from the nih article you cited about the difficulties collecting data:

    *Research has shown that transgender individuals around the world and in the United States are exposed to widespread social stigma, discrimination, harassment, and physical and sexual abuse. Compared with the general population, a national survey conducted in the United States in 2008 found that transgender individuals were 4 times more likely to live in extreme poverty, had double the rate of unemployment, and had almost double the rate of being homeless. In terms of health, transgender individuals had 4 times the rate of being HIV-infected and 28% postponed medical care because of discrimination. Particularly alarming is that 41% of survey respondents reported at least 1 suicide attempt. A barrier to understanding social determinants and health disparities faced by transgender people is the under- or nonrepresentation in a range of demographic and health-monitoring activities,5 which may result from a lack of transgender-inclusive data collection with regard to gender identity.*
Additionally, your zooming analysis didn't account for victim gender disparity.

3,584 female victims in 2020 vs 14,194 males.

Given that the majority in the murdered trans population we are discussing are black trans women, not factoring that in will give you your counterintuitive conclusion.

44/21570 (0.002) becomes 27/3584 (0.0075)

when viewed through the lens of gender.

I can't make that fbi website spit out better numbers, but the fact that the fbi doesn't even have an incentive to track this kind of thing is telling all by itself.

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Post by lkey »

arthur5005 wrote: post #164
lkey wrote: post #81

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Can you imagine being suspended for simply entering the wrong call at the meeting's start? I'd be extra-shocked if something like that happened at my workplace, which is similar in size to Netflix. Regardless, since you asked, Netflix backpedalled and reinstated her in writing. https://twitter.com/RainofTerra/status/1448097310026747908 Speaking for myself, when a director who is also attending a meeting sends me a zo…

The person suspended (and then reinstated) intentionally crashed the meeting, and the person let go, leaked the amount paid to David for the special, which is the #1 no no at Netflix, given their business works primarily on information asymmetry. It’s the one thing you definitely shouldn’t do at Netflix, and they knew that.

s/intentionally crashed the meeting/clicked on a streaming link sent to them by a director that was attended by 1000s of people/

If you want to back up your claim of 'crashing', please cite something other than Netflix PR's quote to journalists before the reinstatement letter.

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Post by terminatornet »

xpaqui wrote: post #212
terminatornet wrote: post #103

There's a point in the new special where Dave brings up the anti-transgender bathroom bill that was passed and then repealed in North Carolina. When he mentions it, an audience member enthusiastically cheers for it and Dave has to immediately clarify that he's against it. If the points you're trying to make are so unclear that people are enthusiastically cheering for anti-trans laws, you may not be anti-trans, but yo…

Yes, we shouldn't allow people to have the wrong opinions. If these people use Dave as the beacon for anti-trans opinions, the person who created a trust fund for the daughter of trans person who killed herself, maybe they aren't that good at anti-trans, just saying.

That's a good start, hopefully he'll be using some of that $60 million he's made from his netflix specials to support other trans people, not just 1 person he knew
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