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EVs still drive on roads.
So do bicycles which pay no road taxes :)
Since road wear is proportional to something like axle-weight to the power of four, bikes essentially don't matter.
Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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I mean, I think it's OK to charge vehicle owners some kinda usage fee to reflect the cost of congestion, road wear, traffic accidents etc., but it's very poorly implemented as is. An obvious solution seems to be to tax tires which are the dirtiest part of an electric car, need to be replaced moderately regularly but not too often, and which wear down in proportion to the amount and and intensity of use. Offroaders an…
Honestly I think it should be collected by insurance companies. You’re legally required to have it in basically all states so they’re effectively an arm of the gov’t, (and the BMV can collect it if you go the self-insurance route since you have to put up a cash deposit) plus your insurance company needs to know roughly how much you drive your car and so can charge proportionally.
car insurance is optional in some countries like NZ
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Heck, I know they're hybrids but just look formula one. The total emissions of every car, from all sessions at every single race in a year combined produce less emissions than a one way flight from London to New York. Which is then completed negated by the fact that the drivers all take private jets around the world
F1 is moving to carbon neutral synthetic fuel: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37872650/formula-1-auto-r...
There is no carbon neutral fuel before we have a surplus of carbon neutral energy. Currently, any kWh you use to synthesize fuel could instead be used for something else. It's probably less carbon intensive to keep on burning regular fuel, because it takes a lot of energy to make synfuel.
Of course it's nice that they subsidize R&D for synfuels (we might need them for niche applications after all), but selling them as "carbon neutral" is just greenwashing.
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Ferarris don't contribute at all to global warming relatively. The many Gulfstream's and 747's the wealthy own are actually statistically significant in terms of impact.
Heck, I know they're hybrids but just look formula one. The total emissions of every car, from all sessions at every single race in a year combined produce less emissions than a one way flight from London to New York. Which is then completed negated by the fact that the drivers all take private jets around the world
The cars and equipment themselves are also airlifted around the world. The whole entourage is a massive waste of resources.
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#215Norway, the prime example of “don’t get high off your own supply” re Oil. Quite disingenuous, if you ask me.
Refer: https://www.ft.com/content/8574bd97-86e2-4665-9192-93dfde877...
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
F1 is moving to carbon neutral synthetic fuel: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37872650/formula-1-auto-r...
There is no carbon neutral fuel before we have a surplus of carbon neutral energy. Currently, any kWh you use to synthesize fuel could instead be used for something else. It's probably less carbon intensive to keep on burning regular fuel, because it takes a lot of energy to make synfuel. Of course it's nice that they subsidize R&D for synfuels (we might need them for niche applications after all), but selling them a…
They have been thinking about it. You haven't:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-...
https://www.siemens-energy.com/global/en/news/magazine/2021/...
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#217A country that made its fortune ( and still does ) largely by oil has the money to quickly jump on a green-washing trend. Hah. Who figured
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Road wear is disproportionately caused by heavy vehicles; one study estimated that "one 18-wheeler is equivalent to the impact of 9,600 cars". The gas tax is primarily a subsidy designed to support the trucking industry.
We need trucks. We don’t need people in cars.
There is nothing we need but food and shelter, which is not the main payload for those trucks.
While some people might enjoy some of the useless consumerism crap that's moved from China to your closest shopping center via trucks, I enjoy driving my old petrol car through the landscape and to the track.
Now let's all step back, calm down and compromise. :)
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#219There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…
It's a bit ironic that Norway is able to buy all those electric cars because of all that oil money they make. Production of electric cars still costs more than that of fossil fuel cars.
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#220There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…
It's a bit ironic that Norway is able to buy all those electric cars because of all that oil money they make. Production of electric cars still costs more than that of fossil fuel cars.
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