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Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the network seemed to be mainly used by pedophiles It is not clear how that statement can emerge from the mere observations above it. Are you telling the full story?
About a quarter of all the comments above yours, other threads, etc, mention the same thing, this smells like astroturfing, but it is unclear by who. You can send illegal stuff by post, FedEx, BitTorrent, pgp encryption, etc. Who cares?
Ya this whole thread is weird. Either
1) peoples opinions about the net have changed drastically in a very short amount of time
2) this thread is an anomaly
3) This thread is being turfed
All of these make me uneasy
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
You forgot UFO parts for sale, bulk jenkem supply in railroad tank cars, and LSD application over screen oscillation, because you certainly was on something when you've seen those urban legends of the “darkweb” . By the way, I really hate meaningless spooky terms like “dark web” and “dark net”. I can still remember the time before journalists invented them.
No I did not mean that. I meant what I said, not whatever you read. Which one of us is on drugs is up for debate. I do not believe the NSA is sitting around studying X-Files. They largely are analyzing and investigating large quantities of child porn and exploitation from southeast asia, rape and abuse in the middle east, cartel executions and kidnappings, war crimes and African slave trade, organ harvesting in China…
Wait what? The NSA is sure as hell not interested in third world suffering. I'm pretty sure they're far interested & occupied with breaking crypto, hacking China/Russia, getting into Iranian/DPRK nuclear centrifuges than in child slavery, which is a shame, but that is how it is. It's an American agency serving the interests of the American govt, not necessarily victims elsewhere.
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they can't be trusted to use their own logic and moral faculties to determine right from wrong History has shown this to be true over and over and over. We even have evidence to this: https://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-f... Fake news travels faster and convinces more people than the truth.
Maybe it’s because the education system has failed at critical thinking.
> Maybe it’s because the education system has failed at critical thinking
Sure, education can improve things. But this is a problem even worse outside the United States, so it's hard to blame it on a single education system.
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am glad it evolved a bit, it used to host a lot of child porn, nazi/fascist material etc And clearly you would be exposed to it through messages or not well annotated index.
This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has d…
>> Let's take Mein Kampf, for example.
Not that I want to defend that book, but it at least has some historic value. It is the sort of thing I would envision a research library keeping on a back shelf. But space lasers and pizza restaurants with dungeons, such things are beneath even Freenet.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well this is a terrifying idea. Is this a hypothetical or do we know of an instance where such a “key” was invented?
In around 1900 i think. It's simple for anyone to create an xor "key" for anything.
I phrased my comment poorly. Do we know of a case where cops or prosecutors have actually faked such a “key”? If so, it’s terrifying that you could have any encrypted data, with cops and their invented xor “keys” claiming your data is whatever they want it to be.
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#217I stay away from it because chunks of the data is hosted on your local machine, and it could potentially contain very unsavory data. Sure it's encrypted but try to explain that to your local law enforcement.
> Sure it's encrypted but try to explain that to your local law enforcement. But how will they read it if even you can't?
But how good is a phone call.... if you cannot speak.
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#218Still haven solved the CSAM problem, so the public servers are off limits. The private infrastructure solution always looked interesting to me, but I'm missing any actual application ideas for that?
I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily! So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"? It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name. But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag…
> But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag it as spam and thus make it disappear. So you're unlikely to just run into CSAM involuntarily.
But how can a censorship-resistant network make certain content disappear? Isn't that impossible by design on Freenet, except by the slow, unreliable process of all nodes purging the data?
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#219You have to go out of your way to find abusive media on freenet. There are many top lists of freesites and they are censored of abusive media. I recommend FMS the freenet messaging system which uses web of trust successfully to moderate messages in a Usenet forum.
Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?
Check with your local laws whether you expose yourself to the risk of a friendly 2am visit by the police for hosting illegal content.
Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
No I did not mean that. I meant what I said, not whatever you read. Which one of us is on drugs is up for debate. I do not believe the NSA is sitting around studying X-Files. They largely are analyzing and investigating large quantities of child porn and exploitation from southeast asia, rape and abuse in the middle east, cartel executions and kidnappings, war crimes and African slave trade, organ harvesting in China…
Wait what? The NSA is sure as hell not interested in third world suffering. I'm pretty sure they're far interested & occupied with breaking crypto, hacking China/Russia, getting into Iranian/DPRK nuclear centrifuges than in child slavery, which is a shame, but that is how it is. It's an American agency serving the interests of the American govt, not necessarily victims elsewhere.
Who said they "cared"? I said intercepted. They basically intercept everything, and specifically will capture everything they monitor of terrorists.
> In the years since 9/11, police raids of terrorist cells in the United Kingdom, Italy and Spain have yielded countless images of hard-core child pornography.
https://nypost.com/2015/02/17/why-are-jihadis-so-obsessed-wi...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/191554-nsa...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S2qtGisT34
I'm done with this thread. You guys are way too literal. If I cared I would find better sources, but two simple Google searches is enough for me. I have dishes to wash which is much more productive than these threads have become.