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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by midasuni »

mattl wrote: post #114
the_third_wave wrote: post #110

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> How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft? The same way we get good software from a ´community´ which is explicitly copyleft. > Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup? The best way to use platforms like Peertube and Odysee is by using it as a primary source, with Youtube and Vimeo essentially playing the role of CDN. Should the censors not like your video for $reas…

I think that’s a bad idea because I don’t want people to think watching video on a computer is okay. Video (movies) should be enjoyed on a big screen with a good screen. These platforms should give creators a way to prohibit viewing on small screens, Linux, etc.

Why does absolute size matter? Viewing angle is surely far more important, with something made for THX being optimised for 40°

And as for blocking the most popular video playing platform out there - at least for large screens - the only question would be “why”

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

varispeed wrote: post #39

When using such federated platforms, do you leak your IP address to other people viewing the content?

Yes, It currently displays the following warning:

> Friendly Reminder: the sharing system used for this video implies that some technical information about your system (such as a public IP address) can be sent to other peers.

GitHub issue upon which this banner was decided upon[1]

[1] https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/316

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by nix23 »

judge2020 wrote: post #134
tomxor wrote: post #112

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> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. This is the answer to so much of what's wrong with the modern web. We need less business and to get more communities back into the center of the web... it should be even easier today since IaaS is so much cheaper, I think it's just a focus problem, nothing is relevant to the big sit…

A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

> only because YouTube is a free service

Nothing is free, if you don't pay for the product YOU are the product.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by belorn »

spijdar wrote: post #120
zelphirkalt wrote: post #102

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Oh my, I did not even know that. That's so toxic. Shouldn't that fall under some kind of monopoly law?

There are a number of prominent YouTubers who advertise their own alternative platforms fairly regularly, if "indirectly". There are also videos about LTT's own video service Floatplane on YouTube [0] I'm guessing that either there's some clause in the YouTube partner/adsense program saying you can't just redirect your viewers elsewhere or you can't upload videos with the sole purpose of saying "go here for more vide…

I was going to say that digging through wan shows to find a reference was too hard but then duckduckgo gave me a hit of a HN post I made that referenced the twitter post.

https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lan...

And here is the wan show discussing it (thanks to a comment on HN): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtJY6soCds&t=698s

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by nix23 »

Mary-Jane wrote: post #163
phone8675309 wrote: post #141

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Opening the Net to commerce was digital original sin

That's right. Cos money is the root of absolutely all all evil, everywhere, for all time!

If Money=Might then your absolutely right, however i would not say forever...there is still Star Trek where one can have Might without Money ;)

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by older »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #142
Popegaf wrote: post #69

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It's not P2P, it's federated. Anybody can host an instance and probably that one has low bandwidth and isn't mirrored by other instances. Instances like https://tilvids.com/ or https://video.ploud.fr/ have better bandwidth.

>It's not P2P, it's federated. It's both. PeerTube instances federate with each other, but the video player uses P2P to spread the load between viewers.

Some of the instances choose not to federate with others. For example https://tilvids.com/ Here they explain why: https://mstdn.social/@tilvids/106902477087882284

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by mda »

nix23 wrote: post #213
judge2020 wrote: post #134

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A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

> only because YouTube is a free service Nothing is free, if you don't pay for the product YOU are the product.

Oh please, not this crap again.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

judge2020 wrote: post #134
tomxor wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. This is the answer to so much of what's wrong with the modern web. We need less business and to get more communities back into the center of the web... it should be even easier today since IaaS is so much cheaper, I think it's just a focus problem, nothing is relevant to the big sit…

A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

Peertube isn't based on the assumption that as a content creator you have to run your own instance (and pay for it), but rather that a community can pool together resources as part of a non-profit organization and host many content creators at once, without centralizing everything. For example: skeptikon.fr for french-speaking science/critical content, kolektiva.media for social struggle / anarchist content, etc...

So of course content creators can chip in, eg. if they accept donations, and especially if (not on the two instances listed above) they are paid to advertise content and products. But users can chip in, too. Overall, hosting costs are cheap because:

- they're mutualized between artists - there's no tracking apparatus like Youtube hooked to a machine learning model to keep you addicted - there's no advertisement to serve or complex upload filter to make sure your public domain recordings bring money to the copyright cartel [0] - if a video becomes popular (eg. a cool livestream) a sufficient portion of people will seed it via WebTorrent (torrent + WebRTC + STUN), considerably reducing server load [1]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27004577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16075325 etc

[1] I've heard faithful reports from fellow sysadmins that their small VPS handled load for hundreds of simultaneous viewers on livestream thanks to a few people seeding (by just "viewing" the video in their browser with default settings) from a home fiber connection

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

CharlesW wrote: post #143
zelphirkalt wrote: post #85

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That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. If we want good content und independence from YouTube, perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month, to uphold our freedom. One rented server can easily support many users, each of those can chip in to finance renting the server. It can be done trans…

> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. From a purely-technical lens, that may not seem like a fatal flaw. When viewed through a whole-product lens, it is. PeerTube's anonymous, censor-proof nature is enough to attract a certain class of content that repels advertisers, but then what? Until the dark side of distributed te…

> PeerTube's anonymous, censor-proof nature

Peertube is neither of those things. Publishing is pseudonymous, not anonymous: requires an account on the server you'd like to publish videos to, just like youtube and other video platforms. And it's only censorship-proof as much as it uses HTTPS/WebRTC to share content. I haven't seen any study of the Sybil-proofness of Webtorrent protocol, but Peertube certainly does not protect instance operator from DNS/IP censorship or from having their machines seized by law enforcement.

Peertube is based on a federated model (like email/www) where instances are "responsible" for the content/users they host, encouraging smaller, trusted communities. Search is currently being addressed via SepiaSearch (a dedicated search engine), and the joinpeertube.org/sepiasearch.org listings are seriously moderated (i once reported a white supremacist instance and it was delisted in under 24h).

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

rapnie wrote: post #60
supermatt wrote: post #25

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Peertube is really just an "app" providing a simple way to host and publish your content online outside the control of "service" providers that can also easily be accessed and shared by the "fediverse" (in this case activitypub supporting federated networks of servers and end users). You can consume peertube content with any activitypub client that supports its types. In short, peertube is an accessible way for users…

Yes, Owncast [0] is another example of a media app that is in the process of adding ActivityPub protocol support [1] and become part of the Fediverse. I hope they'll be largely compatible in the way they implemented their federation support. [0] https://owncast.online/ [1] https://github.com/owncast/owncast/tree/gek/activity-pub-1

Peertube uses very simple and straightforward ActivityStreams (JSON) properties so it's very unlikely anyone is going to make something incompatible.

However, i don't think every property is standardized yet, so having another implementation will be useful to specify everything for future implementations.

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