Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple • Hacker News Board

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by rmah » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:42 PM UTC

iso1210 wrote: post #167

Bud wrote: post #73

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Yes. The fact remains that Tim Cook could not do what was claimed out of his salary. Period, paragraph. Just as obvious: Tim Cook wouldn't do this if he weren't confident in his leadership. Apple stock is up more than 10x since he took over.

Tim Cook was paid $264m in 2020 [0] Apple has 4,291 employees in the entire state of New York [1] That's $61,500 per person. The average salary for an "Apple Genius" (one of the people who work at apple stores?) in New York City is $53,230 [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28573768 [1] https://www.apple.com/job-creation/ [2] https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Apple_Genius/Salary...

Apple employs 147,000 people directly at the end of FY2020. That's $1,800 per employee that's going to Tim Cook, all up. Which is high, but it is what the owners (via the board of directors) think he's worth.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by MattRix » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

jimsimmons wrote: post #110

bschwindHN wrote: post #78

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> They haven't had anything new in 10 years I dunno, their new M1 silicon is pretty dope. Airpod Pros are the most recent thing I bought from them and they're a pleasure to use every day. They're not at the same level of innovation that they were 10 years ago, but they're also not at zero.

I guess I am more disappointed by their lack of self-awareness and tendency to hype up really small things. Removing headphone jack, choosing lightning cable instead of usb-c, removal of fingerprint sensor in favor of much inferior face ID and largely incremental updates to iPhones over the past few years, I am not sure they are the same company they once were. I feel quite uncomfortable watching their keynotes loade…

They keynotes are giant ads for their products, so of course they’re loaded with marketing hyperbole. Every company says those kinds of things about their products!

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by autoliteInline » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:51 PM UTC

amirhirsch wrote: post #189

autoliteInline wrote: post #147

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>This is like if you're in a wheelchair and you get a job to hang drywall. You could view it as a full employment plan. The next logical step is to have a deaf man who only signs in Irish Sign Language. The first interpreter converts that to ASL, the second into spoken English.

I suppose they would have to discriminate against deaf people in their search to hire an interpreter for their deaf employees or it’s interpreters all the way down.

Imagine the game of 'telephone' you could play.

By the end of the last interpreter, the guy at the Apple Store would get an order of Granny Smith apples and his vintage Mr. Coffee machine would be repaired by a passing street musician.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by Socketier » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

licebmi__at__ wrote: post #178

S_A_P wrote: post #140

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Is this is someone who is either looking for an angle to litigate with a rich company or has completely unrealistic expectations or both? I feel like if you had a real conversation with this person and got to the root of how they feel they would know their ask is unreasonable. I’m sure they may also feel like they have been dealt a bad hand and want to find a way to be compensated. While this route may make a few law…

Or maybe there could be more nuance to the case. What of he was hired for a different role and then suddenly he had to attend customers? What if the manager just didn’t like him and set him up for failure? Why would we put the wrong in him if the company hired him on the first place?

Exactly, it's similar to the media frenzy around the woman who got seriously burned by Mcdonalds coffee and sued them. The reaction was mostly incredulity and mocking her, but the reality was that the coffee was exceptionally hot for decontamination convenience (a corporate money saving measure) and the cup was insulated such that the average person wouldn't ever expect it to be so dangerous.

Best to withold judgments until get more of the facts are revealed.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by donarb » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:56 PM UTC

rectangleboy wrote: post #98

wolverine876 wrote: post #85

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I mean, what new product categories has Apple created (or defined) like they did with the iPhone? Phones, tablets, laptops, wearables, etc. are old news. AirTags are pretty cool, but a small category.

The Tile existed before the AirTags.

Can you find an item using Tile if it's out of Bluetooth range, like AirTags can?

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by vlovich123 » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

Socketier wrote: post #214

licebmi__at__ wrote: post #178

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Or maybe there could be more nuance to the case. What of he was hired for a different role and then suddenly he had to attend customers? What if the manager just didn’t like him and set him up for failure? Why would we put the wrong in him if the company hired him on the first place?

Exactly, it's similar to the media frenzy around the woman who got seriously burned by Mcdonalds coffee and sued them. The reaction was mostly incredulity and mocking her, but the reality was that the coffee was exceptionally hot for decontamination convenience (a corporate money saving measure) and the cup was insulated such that the average person wouldn't ever expect it to be so dangerous. Best to withold judgment…

I thought it was made so they could offer “unlimited” coffee but making it so hot increased the drinking time so customers were far away before finishing?

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

dandotway wrote: post #17

imgabe wrote: post #8

> Richard Dahan, who is deaf, said he had struggled at his former job at an Apple Store in Maryland for six years because his manager refused to provide a sign-language interpreter for him to communicate with customers, which federal law requires under some circumstances. This just doesn't seem like a reasonable accommodation for a retail job. Your whole job is to communicate with the customers. If you need to hire a…

+1 As a society we want to do all we can to accommodate the handicapped so they can work, and many deaf persons are extremely effective lip-readers able to handle retail customer interactions. If Richard's lip-reading isn't up to the job, a non customer facing role would be better for Richard, either that or have Richard do email and message chat customer interactions that are compatible with his deafness.

Lip-reading has been extremely difficult in the last 18 months.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 4:05 PM UTC

scruffyherder wrote: post #64

wolverine876 wrote: post #49

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> thankfully downvoting is limited now How is it limited?

My biggest complaint is that it makes it damned near impossible to read. Why must it become inaccessible to people with bad eye sight? My feelings aren't that fragile

Click on the time stamp if you want to read a particular downvoted comment. (On technical threads, it’s rarely useful; on political/social threads, much more commonly used.)

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by laurent92 » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 4:12 PM UTC

Bahamut wrote: post #142

vimy wrote: post #5

If I was Tim Cook I would immediately shutdown slack and mandate everyone go back to using email. It’s always a tiny minority of activists organizing on slack who are causing a lot of the unrest in tech companies.

Just a note, before Slack a lot of the company was just using iMessage - nobody wants that, 30+ people group chats with messages at all hours of the day was the worst digital communication experience I've ever seen at a company.

Shouldn’t Apple just limit Slack channels to 12 people?

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by samhwr » Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 4:24 PM UTC

s5300 wrote: post #43

throwawaylinux wrote: post #36

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> One must keep in mind that the United States is and near or more always has been a welfare state. If one must keep that in mind, may one ask what definition of "welfare state" has applied to the USA since its founding?

Religious groups typically look after their own. Take care of the poor, needy, and disabled. For quite a long time, most US states were essentially religious areas/boundaries, which is why much of New England is seen as quite puritanical to this day. Go read about the history of Mormons and Utah. The reason the surrounding borders are so weird is because the U.S. gov essentially tried to thwart a larger land grab by…

> Their tenants were largely about taking care of each other.

For what it’s worth, you almost certainly mean ‘tenets’. I don’t know why, but this malapropism has become increasingly common. Tenants are people who rent a property.