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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by igetspam » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

jabedude wrote: post #41

soco wrote: post #24

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Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.

Have you considered that you don't hear about those defensive uses because your sources of news simply don't report them? 1. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-... 2. https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots... 3. https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-sho... 4. https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old... 5. https://myfox8.com/news/nc-…

It happens but even the six stores a month in American Rifleman aren't statistically significant, when compared to the number of "bad person kills less bad/good person" numbers or "accidental shooting death" numbers.

> in 2020, there have been unintentional shootings by over 220 children. This has resulted in 92 deaths and 135 injuries

Math is hard...

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

pope_meat wrote: post #201

philwelch wrote: post #177

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Aside from the half dozen people they shot, I guess.

What's the excuse for the shootings that happened in other areas that the police didn't abandon? Perhaps it's because shootings happen regardless? But you know, you're right, I'll take the news medias version of events, my eyes were lying to me, since what I witnessed doesn't jive with sensationalist news coverage.

I’m glad you weren’t there while any of the shootings were happening, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

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Post by caymanjim » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:40 PM UTC

blacktriangle wrote: post #140

phendrenad2 wrote: post #126

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The US Constitution can be changed, never forget that.

The Bill of Rights cannot be. This is the fundamental difference between the US and other Western democracies. Consent to be governed rests upon said government respecting those inalienable rights that we have. Those rights are not granted us by the government, they are the rights that we created a government to preserve. Any government violating those rights no longer has the consent of the governed and should be ab…

There are no inalienable rights. It's a marketing slogan.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:42 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #96

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

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Post by kube-system » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

bingohbangoh wrote: post #206

poopypoopington wrote: post #195

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1. Many of them were armed 2. That was because the Trump administration refused to send in the national guard for several hours after the terrorist attack on January 6th. If the government does not stand up to terrorists attacking the US Capitol, then yes, they can take the building quite easily.

they were armed? do you have a source for that? The gun charges were dropped.

A couple examples here, before, during, and after the attack:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/stun-guns-stinger-whips...

If you pop their names into a search engine you can see the DOJ indictments with more info.

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Post by thebooktocome » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:45 PM UTC

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #99

sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. So did our Deep State as they lost a twenty year fight against the Taliban. Who immediately started seizing the people's guns upon capturing Kabul. not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the high availability of guns for everyone The suicide statistics from…

Blaming the Afghanistan War on the "Deep State" is a very odd choice to me. Does the Deep State ratify authorizations for the use of military force and approve military spending budgets?

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Post by Hamuko » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:48 PM UTC

seneca wrote: post #79

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

I agree with most of your post. One small quibble though: > There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The whole point is that the government Can Not take away guns, not that they "would not". Inalienable rights preceed government, they are not granted by it. In fact, the government is supposed to exist to safe guard them. I think that's an important philosophical p…

Well, if the new Texas anti-abortion law is declared legal and constitutional in the courts, there's going to be a lot more laws that deny people their constitutional rights via similar "bounty hunter" systems. And the fact that it wasn't declared unconstitutional right off the bat makes the "can not" part not apply that well since Texas can currently very much take away constitutional rights from its citizens.

Also, the "inalienable rights" in 1776 were not really inalienable since life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were afforded to a pretty select group of people.

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Post by enriquto » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #96

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

> For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2.

I don't know about Angola, but in most european countries it's really easy to buy guns (for hunting, sharp-shooting, etc.). When my dad retired he joined a shooting club with his friends, the gun permit being slightly harder to obtain than a fishing permit. There are gun shops everywhere where you can buy guns and ammunition if you show your permit. There are of course regulations for carrying your gun, I don't remember exactly, but you have to carry ammunition and gun separately or something like that.

I guess the problem is not about the easy availability of guns, but that the american society is more violent.

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Post by germinalphrase » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:50 PM UTC

ctrlp wrote: post #187

AustinDev wrote: post #104

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It's been shown that many people would side with democrats on the majority of social issues and vote for them if not for their stance on firearms. If the democrats lost their ability to use that as part of their culture war platform they'd likely gain a ton of people who don't vote or vote R simply to retain their rights.

You can't reduce the culture war to gun ownership. The Dems are doing just about everything they can to alienate traditionalists in the U.S., including gun owners. It's not even the most important wedge issue anymore. Rather, gun owners are concerned about defending themselves in a country organized by Democratic party policy. They'll need the guns when the police are defunded, or when the social workers come for the…

I’m asking genuinely, is this a real fear: “…when the social workers come for their children”.

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Post by ghufran_syed » Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:50 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #135

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #99

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Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. So did our Deep State as they lost a twenty year fight against the Taliban. Who immediately started seizing the people's guns upon capturing Kabul. not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the high availability of guns for everyone The suicide statistics from…

Comparing Taliban to individual gun owners is next level absurd.

why? The taliban is not like a nation state army, more like a bunch or militias and tribes, each of which is a “bunch of local guys with guns”. As the war has progressed, I imagine they have got more professional, but I’m guessing around 80-90% of their strength are non ideological tribal militias who are very good at figuring out which way the wind is blowing and changing sides. That worked in the US favor in 2001-2 when the northern alliance was winning, and against US interests now, that’s why resistance collapsed so quickly back in 2001 and now.