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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by techrat »

kaba0 wrote: post #180
techrat wrote: post #160

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Funny how you say 'we old timers' when you remind me exactly of the same sniveling types who whined about everything "Micro$uck" etc... on Slashdot back in the day... It's tiresome and doesn't contribute one bit when you defeat any points you may legitimately have with all that griping. What's the point in tossing out the age card here? Being smug is a sign of immaturity, not wisdom. So you may call yourself an old t…

> The difference between then (IE/Windows Bundling) and now (Chrome/Google Advertising Might) is that we still get everything Google releases as open source. Use de-Googled Chromium and move then fuck on with your life. Except that having only one implementation of the web will make it into a closed ecosystem. The current few (partial) implementations are a very weak state and firefox should be kept alive for this re…

So now we have the Whiny Nerd Paradox.

Google is evil because they took over the web with Chrome.

But they're still evil because they're singlehandedly keeping Mozilla alive with funding.

Yes. Especially evil for keeping distant competition alive.

And really evil for enforcing web standards with a browser engine that works.

And also evil because they open source everything.

Grr. Google bad, of course.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by dralley »

techrat wrote: post #210
dralley wrote: post #209

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Something is F'ed with your system. I have 10 extensions installed, nearly 900 tabs (most of which aren't actually cached) and my Firefox stays open for weeks and it still never uses more than a few GB of RAM.

Or maybe you have rose colored glasses on from using Firefox in isolation. It's a memory leaking hog on every system I use it on. Windows, Ubuntu, even Android. Even back to the days of Phoenix, it always had issues with not eventually turning into a leaking process.

I have a 14gb VM, Sublime Text, VS Code Pycharm, and Hexchat all at open the same time.

The memory usage isn't amazing but it's not terrible. If I go to about:memory and do a report, it seems that nearly all of it is going to Google websites despite being the vast minority of my open tabs. Gmail, Gchat, and Youtube.

So I'm not going to sit here and blame Mozilla because Google websites in particular are hogging a lot of memory.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by techrat »

dralley wrote: post #212
techrat wrote: post #210

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Or maybe you have rose colored glasses on from using Firefox in isolation. It's a memory leaking hog on every system I use it on. Windows, Ubuntu, even Android. Even back to the days of Phoenix, it always had issues with not eventually turning into a leaking process.

I have a 14gb VM, Sublime Text, VS Code Pycharm, and Hexchat all at open the same time. The memory usage isn't amazing but it's not terrible. If I go to about:memory and do a report, it seems that nearly all of it is going to Google websites despite being the vast minority of my open tabs. Gmail, Gchat, and Youtube. So I'm not going to sit here and blame Mozilla because Google websites in particular are hogging a lot…

Good for you. Meanwhile I just had to restart Firefox because it pegged a CPU core at 100% and wouldn't refresh.

And this was after nuking the configs and doing an "sudo apt purge firefox && sudo apt install firefox"

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by azinman2 »

cjoh wrote: post #81
diskzero wrote: post #73

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Firefox seems to be the only hope to avoid a duopoly dominated by forces that are anti-privacy and anti-user. I recently made the move from Safari to Firefox and I am very pleased. This being said, I agree with you about the optics of Firefox management. There is a lot going on that isn't good and the personal enrichment of the executives feels all sorts of wrong. If FF management can not be good stewards of a vital…

Is there a way to simplify moving password management out of Keychain and into Firefox?

Personally I'd love to see Firefox use the same Keychain for passwords (same with Chrome). It would make it FAR easier to switch browsers. I wouldn't even mind shared cookies and bookmarks for that matter. Let the best engine win, but keep it frictionless to move in-between.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by skinkestek »

techrat wrote: post #211
kaba0 wrote: post #180

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> The difference between then (IE/Windows Bundling) and now (Chrome/Google Advertising Might) is that we still get everything Google releases as open source. Use de-Googled Chromium and move then fuck on with your life. Except that having only one implementation of the web will make it into a closed ecosystem. The current few (partial) implementations are a very weak state and firefox should be kept alive for this re…

So now we have the Whiny Nerd Paradox. Google is evil because they took over the web with Chrome. But they're still evil because they're singlehandedly keeping Mozilla alive with funding. Yes. Especially evil for keeping distant competition alive. And really evil for enforcing web standards with a browser engine that works. And also evil because they open source everything. Grr. Google bad, of course.

Mostly agree in fact, and there are many good people at Google.

But can you see that a company can be both good and bad at the same time?

And that in cases like this with huge companies (both in brain mass and economic impact) the negative sides has extreme effects on the surroundings?

One nitpick:

> And really evil for enforcing web standards with a browser engine that works.

One of the problems with Chrome and IE was that they don't enforce web standards: you get away not only with behavior that others hasn't implemented yet, but also with certain shortcuts that aren't in any standard.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by 7v3x3n3sem9vv »

techrat wrote: post #213
dralley wrote: post #212

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I have a 14gb VM, Sublime Text, VS Code Pycharm, and Hexchat all at open the same time. The memory usage isn't amazing but it's not terrible. If I go to about:memory and do a report, it seems that nearly all of it is going to Google websites despite being the vast minority of my open tabs. Gmail, Gchat, and Youtube. So I'm not going to sit here and blame Mozilla because Google websites in particular are hogging a lot…

Good for you. Meanwhile I just had to restart Firefox because it pegged a CPU core at 100% and wouldn't refresh. And this was after nuking the configs and doing an "sudo apt purge firefox && sudo apt install firefox"

No offense, but I use Firefox across windows, Linux, macOS, and Android without any problems. I suspect you're seeing hardware issues or just trolling. Firefox may not be perfect but shouldn't behave the way you're describing. I agree it's not as fast as blink based browsers, but the issues you're calling out are not common unless your system is doing something weird to break it.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by tentacleuno »

skinkestek wrote: post #86
techrat wrote: post #68

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A company putting an ad for its own product on its own website is not an example of a shady tactic. "Allowed?" Next you'll tell me that Microsoft should be forced to exclusively advertise other browsers other than their own on Bing before search... > so if this isn't abuse of market power then I don't know what. Abuse of market power would be preventing the mention of any other browser when using search and Google ha…

Thanks for explaining your position. I'll try to explain in some more detail why this is a problem and how governments has stepped in before: > Abuse of market power would be preventing the mention of any other browser when using search and Google has never done that. Another way to abuse market power is to use ones dominance in one maket to crush competition in another market. Microsoft was punished for this after t…

I tried one of the Tree Style Tabs extensions. It acted like it was embedding the tab sidebar into the actual page. That's one of the things I actually like about Firefox: sidebars have an API.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by tentacleuno »

Liquid_Fire wrote: post #182
46756e wrote: post #15

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Just out of curiosity, what are some of Chrome's shady dealings? I'm not too informed on the subject.

Bundling Chrome with Flash and other software, such that it would install by default unless you uncheck the right checkbox (and make itself the default browser). Making Google web applications (YouTube) use technologies only available in Chrome with much slower fallback used in other browsers. Bundling Chrome with Android. Ads pushing it aggressively on Google/YouTube. Ads IRL.

What else do you reasonably expect them to bundle with Android, though? Safari?

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by tentacleuno »

7v3x3n3sem9vv wrote: post #216
techrat wrote: post #213

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Good for you. Meanwhile I just had to restart Firefox because it pegged a CPU core at 100% and wouldn't refresh. And this was after nuking the configs and doing an "sudo apt purge firefox && sudo apt install firefox"

No offense, but I use Firefox across windows, Linux, macOS, and Android without any problems. I suspect you're seeing hardware issues or just trolling. Firefox may not be perfect but shouldn't behave the way you're describing. I agree it's not as fast as blink based browsers, but the issues you're calling out are not common unless your system is doing something weird to break it.

I don't agree with assuming he is trolling.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Post by tentacleuno »

unicornporn wrote: post #155
pxc wrote: post #137

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I prefer Firefox for Android as well, but there is a Chromium fork called Bromite which has adblocking built in, too.

Kiwi supports extensions on Android...

After that whole search engine scandal with Kiwi Browser, a lot of people don't trust it anymore. I believe it also majorly lagged behind Chromium versions.
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