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Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by adriand »

schelling42 wrote: post #97
adriand wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is very funny but speaking in practical terms, and not about UX, how does a feature like this work in practice? Does Allah respond to prayers emitted by electronics? Or is the idea that the human is supposed to recite the prayer along with the recording?

The idea is to use some peoples receptivity to religion for shifting their awareness to the risks of traveling. It can also help to center thoughts, calm down, and increase mindfulness while steering the motorized vehicle, therefore decreasing traffic accidents. (I wonder whether there are studies on if this actually helps.)

Ah, that's interesting. Speaking from personal experience (and as an atheist, who happened to grow up in a religious household), I think many atheists are too quick to dismiss the value of rituals/prayers/meditations. As you pointed out, there can be value even if the deity to whom the prayer is offered doesn't exist or isn't listening.

For example, growing up my family began and ended each meal with a prayer of, essentially, thanksgiving, with a few other requests thrown in ("keep us safe", etc.) This delimited the meal time: we were there for the duration, we all started eating together and there was no leaving before the meal had ended. I don't remember the prayer any more but I do have fond memories of family dinners, the unity and connection we all experienced during that time and the spirited conversations they featured. Prayers of thanksgiving also center the experience of eating in one of gratitude.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by TheCapn »

burnt_toast wrote: post #141

For a long time now I've been naming my computers things like "LG Refrigerator" or "LG Microwave" as a joke. I thought it'd be funny if someone was ever checking the network and saw them pop up. I'm bummed that fridges actually use the internet now.

I named things more obscenely. My livingroom TV's chromecast is "Secret Sex Dungeon TV".

I recently learned that when my network is out, Chromecasts broadcast their own wifi hotspot as a way for you to configure them using the name they were set up with.

I hope my neighbors don't mind knowing I have a Secret Sex Dungeon and a Torture Room with smart devices. oops.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by marcosdumay »

blitzar wrote: post #31
chunkyfunky wrote: post #24

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Yep, keeping ur kids in the fridge is a great way to keep them fresh for weeks :)

Just open the door every 20 minutes or so to check on them.

But then the fridge would complain that it wasn't run at maximum efficiency.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by [deleted] »

crote wrote: post #170
caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

I don't know anything about the laws here - but isn't this medical data? Doesn't HIPAA make this sort of stuff illegal?

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Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by ttty2 »

aix1 wrote: post #188
JasonFruit wrote: post #179

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The advantage is that the monitor provides the sort of usage data the company can sell to others. To be clear, it's not an advantage to you .

Could you give some concrete examples of the types of data that an existing smart monitor (not a TV) collects and sells to others? (Ideally also naming the manufacture and the device.)

Screenshots of what you look at.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by Lev1a »

larrik wrote: post #147
caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

Interesting, this was made super clear to me, and even included instructions to leave it plugged in for at least 40 minutes after waking up in the morning so it can communicate. Generally the insurance companies don't like paying for supplies for people who aren't actually using them, and need to see that you use it for an average of 4 hours per night or whatever.

> need to see that you use it for an average of 4 hours per night or whatever

That could just as easily be achieved by the method of locally recording on the SD card GP mentioned above without uploading who-knows-what about the device, your body, maybe even the surrounding area and other people to who-the-fuck-knows-where.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by protomyth »

ggsp wrote: post #164
caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

> no one is monitoring diet, exercise, drug use, cigarette consumption, or other risky behaviors, and threatening to withhold treatment for non-compliance ... yet.

yeah yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJl9EEcsoE

Still on track after a decade

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by defaultname »

djrogers wrote: post #204
defaultname wrote: post #112

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The fridge emailed basically a performance report to the address that he configured on setup. One of the performance report items is that it had been opened a lot, which does impact efficiency and food longevity. It didn't email a complaint. It did precisely what he configured it to do (I will go on a limb and presume the fridge didn't guess his email address), and presumably what he expected it to do given that he p…

> It didn't email a complaint. It did precisely what he configured it to do From the tweets: > I don’t even remember giving permission for our fridge to email. Also, if you read the thread, this seems to be a new 'feature' they've added since he set it up - the fridge was silent for a year, then boom - stupid email.

It is clear he is being humorously jocular, exaggerating for effect (Twitter performance art that works wonders -- he's done well observing that the smart scale that he connected to the internet also does smart scale stuff). Those people taking this seriously need to take a walk and get some fresh air.

"I don’t even remember giving permission for our fridge to email"

He connected it to the internet and now it does stuff. He also clearly gave it his email address. How does one give "permission" for a smart device to email (beyond a giant T&C agreement that he obviously agreed to)? Who is so overburdened by an email?

This sort of "dystopia everything is hell look at all this crazy stuff!" shtick surprisingly does well, and it's bizarre.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by JasonFruit »

aix1 wrote: post #188
JasonFruit wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The advantage is that the monitor provides the sort of usage data the company can sell to others. To be clear, it's not an advantage to you .

Could you give some concrete examples of the types of data that an existing smart monitor (not a TV) collects and sells to others? (Ideally also naming the manufacture and the device.)

Five years ago when I last looked into it, a "smart monitor" was a monitor running a custom Android setup that could do whatever a smart TV or tablet could do. The possibilities for data collection are practically unlimited, and recent experiences with smart TV updates putting ads where no ads were before show that potential matters; it's on the basis of potential that I'm against it, not because I have detailed knowledge of what's being done now.
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