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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Just my two cents: This feels rushed and has serious potential to lead to more division and less faith in government institutions overall. (am vaccinated 2 doses Moderna)

It's been about 1.5 years of study, and a billion doses given, give-or-take. There's plenty of data. The FDA usually is a glacial, unmotivated bureaucracy, but for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, this got a little bump in urgency.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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post #82

Just my two cents: This feels rushed and has serious potential to lead to more division and less faith in government institutions overall. (am vaccinated 2 doses Moderna)

But should feelings matter in this question? The vast majority of us has no intuition when it comes to vaccine approval processes, as is the case with most things that aren't every day experiences. (And even then intuition or gut feelings can be misleading.)

Criticism should point out concrete failures to meet regulations or errors in the statistical analysis of the trials.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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"...instead find a new reason not to get it." Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."

Of course, we don't have much info on the long-term health outcomes of getting COVID , either. It's like worrying about the long-term impact of breathing fire extinguisher powder while being engulfed by flames.

I'd be pretty fucking pissed if someone sprayed a fire extinguisher needlessly in my vicinity.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Compared to what?

I thought everyone was saying full approval of vaccines take years of clinical trials. This was done much more quickly than that.

Most of those years are not clinical trials they are getting funding to run a trail.

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being obese is socially irresponsible in these times, yet I don't see obese people banned from buying junk food and going to eat junk food in restaurants

The obese don't go around killing kids.

but they are overloading hospitals denying access to healthcare to other sick people since gov around world decided to prioritize this hyped disease

for instance in Czechia there were 17K excess deaths, 10K with main cause COVID, the other 7K thanks to restrictions and doctors treating people over phone to keep hospitals empty for obese/old

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Yeah, people seem to be forgetting the anti-vaxx movement that was already brewing way before COVID.

The opposition to rushed or mandated COVID vaccination has close to zero ties to the “anti-vaccine” movement. Unless you watch CNN and MSNBC as your primary source of news, of course.

if you don't think there's significant overlap I have a bridge to sell you

In either case, while non-mRNA vaccines may incentive the 'vaccine hesitant' to get poked, no amount of modification or scientific advance will get anti-vaxxers to get immunized edit: with a vaccine (I'm assuming an FDA-approved small molecule therapeutic would be OK with some of them).

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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"By looking at other vaccines historically and seeing that side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks." "Other vaccines historically" work on fundamentally different principles. We can not use that data to assume that mRNA vaccines are going to work the same way.

mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans since 2011. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga...

That data can be relevant. "Other historical vaccines" can not.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Yes they are, all sorts of "freedoms" hinge on it now.

I can't work in certain jobs without a security clearance. The government is not forcing me to get a security clearance.

Vanishingly small percentages of jobs require security clearance.

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> I think you put on your tinfoil hat by mistake there buddy. Condescension is not helpful. > Net breakthrough deaths, ..., is not a real metric. What terminology would you recommend for getting the number of people who died from Covid19 after being fully vaccinated against Covid19? >> Deaths† 1,587 (20%) >> †341 (21%) of 1,587 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. The numbers are from the…

Are you claiming this is good or bad? By comparison, in some years the influenza vaccine is under 40% effective. 0.9 deaths per 1 million is amazing (especially given the likely age profile). See https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200902/how-effective-is-th... for some information about the flu vaccine. In April the vaccination rate was much lower. In a hypothetical situation where 100% of people are vaccinated, all C…

In addition, in April we didn’t have the delta variant in the US.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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It's also possible that its approval will result in more people getting the vaccine due to those people now having an out from their initial reaction that it was rushed (but still sticking to their convictions up to now in order to avoid embarrassment).

More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.

The vaccination is still not mandatory, right? Why do you write "excuse"? Are you really so full of yourself that you can not accept that people make different decisions from yours? Why do you even care? I assume you got the vaccine for yourself. So what is the issue? Why do you have to speak about your fellow humans in such a derogatory tone?
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