Just my two cents: This feels rushed and has serious potential to lead to more division and less faith in government institutions overall. (am vaccinated 2 doses Moderna)
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#212Just my two cents: This feels rushed and has serious potential to lead to more division and less faith in government institutions overall. (am vaccinated 2 doses Moderna)
Criticism should point out concrete failures to meet regulations or errors in the statistical analysis of the trials.
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"...instead find a new reason not to get it." Or continue an existing reason: "Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes."
Of course, we don't have much info on the long-term health outcomes of getting COVID , either. It's like worrying about the long-term impact of breathing fire extinguisher powder while being engulfed by flames.
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being obese is socially irresponsible in these times, yet I don't see obese people banned from buying junk food and going to eat junk food in restaurants
The obese don't go around killing kids.
for instance in Czechia there were 17K excess deaths, 10K with main cause COVID, the other 7K thanks to restrictions and doctors treating people over phone to keep hospitals empty for obese/old
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Yeah, people seem to be forgetting the anti-vaxx movement that was already brewing way before COVID.
The opposition to rushed or mandated COVID vaccination has close to zero ties to the “anti-vaccine” movement. Unless you watch CNN and MSNBC as your primary source of news, of course.
In either case, while non-mRNA vaccines may incentive the 'vaccine hesitant' to get poked, no amount of modification or scientific advance will get anti-vaxxers to get immunized edit: with a vaccine (I'm assuming an FDA-approved small molecule therapeutic would be OK with some of them).
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"By looking at other vaccines historically and seeing that side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks." "Other vaccines historically" work on fundamentally different principles. We can not use that data to assume that mRNA vaccines are going to work the same way.
mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans since 2011. https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-innovation/en/horizon-maga...
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> I think you put on your tinfoil hat by mistake there buddy. Condescension is not helpful. > Net breakthrough deaths, ..., is not a real metric. What terminology would you recommend for getting the number of people who died from Covid19 after being fully vaccinated against Covid19? >> Deaths† 1,587 (20%) >> †341 (21%) of 1,587 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19. The numbers are from the…
Are you claiming this is good or bad? By comparison, in some years the influenza vaccine is under 40% effective. 0.9 deaths per 1 million is amazing (especially given the likely age profile). See https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200902/how-effective-is-th... for some information about the flu vaccine. In April the vaccination rate was much lower. In a hypothetical situation where 100% of people are vaccinated, all C…
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It's also possible that its approval will result in more people getting the vaccine due to those people now having an out from their initial reaction that it was rushed (but still sticking to their convictions up to now in order to avoid embarrassment).
More likely than not, they'll just move the goalposts farther and find a different excuse for not getting it.