TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by stale2002 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #94

tablespoon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. I don't think the only question is "who wins at having the most popular social network." The more concerning one is of exerting political influence through manipulative amplification/suppression (which is something the PRC has a lot of experience with). That could be both highly effective and extre…

That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1]. The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok cer…

> Which social network would you trust not to do that?

Well step 1 is to see what country the social network was made in, and see if that government has had a strong history of using the law to force companies to silence criticism.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by bartread » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

n8cpdx wrote: post #129

cronix wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

> 90k likes because TikTok hates fat people: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosn9PW/

I dunno: this bad posture video is some BS. It seems to be teaching just a different bad posture. People might be liking it, and TikTok might not be discriminating against it (which at least is positive), but that is no indication that the content is of any quality.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ur-whale » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

mtrovo wrote: post #158

Are we seeing apex Facebook? I still have a lot of friends that use it daily but it's all for things that don't hold a company with a 1T market cap. Anecdotal data: - Facebook usage from my feed it's just older family members posting cheesy political posts and selling items on marketplace - Instagram became a selling channel for brands, be it with their accounts or with "partnerships" with meme/influencer pages. I se…

> Are we seeing apex Facebook?

One can only wish.

Except for the fact that it's being replaced by something worse.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by hhlbf » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

cronix wrote: post #73

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

>Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment.

As a user: nice.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ev1 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

gnopgnip wrote: post #155

What is the advantage of installing the app over using your web browser?

The app collects orders of magnitude more private information, permanent device identifiers, phone numbers as a requirement of service.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by tomcooks » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

What's fun about stolen videos with a selfie introduction, happy dances and lipsync? Does tiktok offer anything else?

Sincerely, the no fun guy

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by partiallypro » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:19 PM UTC

Tiktok is fun, I have tremendous problems with it being so closely tied to the CCP...but you can't deny that it's a good app/service.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ur-whale » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #189

sarasasa28 wrote: post #180

TikTok is literally TV. not youtube, tiktok. Youtube failed to be a television replacement, and tiktok succeeded. If you don't see this, you are literally dumb.

What shows can I watch on TikTok?

>What shows can I watch on TikTok?

Many people don't watch shows on TV, they just channel hop to avoid ads and numb their brain after a day at work, consuming short stretches of content at a time.

In that regard, TikTok is indeed very much like TV.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by franczesko » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

TikTok feels like YouTube in it's very beginning, when it was cool and consisted mostly of "sunny" content.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by the-dude » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #172

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are assuming that the person you respond to is american. He's dutch, and is regularly spied on by the US.

> You are assuming that the person you respond to is american. No, I was responding with my thoughts as an American. And frankly, his comment was ambiguous enough to be open to multiple interpretations (e.g. 1. to a non-American, US-controlled networks are foreign; 2. and manipulation/propaganda happens on US-controlled networks already, so why should it be any more concerning on one from China; 3. etc.). > He's dutc…

If we ever get a Weapons of mass destruction capable of reaching the capitols of Europe episode again, I would wager FB and YT will start to block content which questions that narrative ( or fairytale rather ).