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Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by benjaminsuch »

GrigoriyMikh wrote: post #202
bluGill wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said, the union has enough benefits that the value of higher salary positions isn't worth it to many. In the union you are not allowed to work more than 36 hours a week (I might have the numbers off a bit?) and they check to ensure that. Non-union can work longer hours, in practice they don't, but they are allowed to. There are a number of other things like that, the one lead engineer I work with in Germany does…

What's "the union"? I never heard about it. Not a single engineer that i know personally is in this union(or at least they are hiding that). And literally all of them planning to leave Germany once the good opportunity arrives. Also, i know personally almost 20 engineers who left the country only for better pay and that's during pandemic only.

Labor Union. But if a Lead Engineer needs a Labor Union for his benefits, then he does something clearly wrong.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by ineedasername »

grlass wrote: post #27
ipnon wrote: post #5

TSMC is really the keystone for everything else done that ends up getting talked about on this website. They are constantly at the bleeding edge of computer manufacture and pushing it further still. We should feel some sense of amazement to be alive still in the middle of the computer revolution.

Not to mention the people who design many of the machines that TSMC use in their plants: ASML. "The mirrors guiding this light, made of sandwiched layers of silicon and molybdenum, are ground so precisely that, if scaled to the size of Germany, they would have no bumps bigger than a millimetre" https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/how-asml-becam... >

That's a good start, but ASML may want to call in Rick [0] on this one to go a little further

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQoRfieZJxI

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

platz wrote: post #205
reportingsjr wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is necessary to grind in a random fashion (OP is talking about the method of grinding, not the order), or you will end up with imperfections. Lots of info about this if you look in to grinding mirrors for telescopes. Also, the order being random wouldn't effect the end result.

When grinding the concave plate why didn't that make then other flat plate convex again?

It did – but less so than the original was concave. By rubbing them together, you're effectively “averaging out” the convex / concavenesses.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by suction »

lentil_soup wrote: post #95
suction wrote: post #76

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Keep in mind that for a high-profile engineer or lead who expects to make 400k at least per year, the company would actually have to pay him 800k to make that much net. Labor cost in Germany is sky high. That times a thousand is not insignificant.

According to [1] if you make 400k a year your employer has to pay 413k in total [1] https://www.brutto-netto-rechner.info/gehalt/gehaltsrechner-...

"net" is the keyword here.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by suction »

corty wrote: post #85
suction wrote: post #74

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The Tesla story had two sides - Tesla was aware about the high standards that would be applied to their factory, but somehow thought "we're Tesla so they'll create all kinds of exceptions for us if we pay the right politicians". Turns out not every country is as corrupt as Tesla's home country.

Maybe. But I think all the politicians Tesla could have bought are already owned by their German competitors.

They don't have to buy politicians, because every politician knows that Germany's economic fate is directly tied to them. Which isn't the case for Tesla and never will be. German auto manufacturers long know that the real competition for E-mobility isn't Tesla.

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Post by was_a_dev »

DougBTX wrote: post #111
symmetricsaurus wrote: post #64

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Take three somewhat flat stones to start out. Alternate rubbing the surfaces together in a random fashion. As you continue the high spots of the stones will be ground down and the surfaces will become flatter and flatter. In the end you can get very precise flat surfaces. Two stones is not enough, you can then end up with two spherical surfaces. With three this isn't possible (imagine two of them are convex, when you…

With images: https://ericweinhoffer.com/blog/2017/7/30/the-whitworth-thre...

That is, one plate remains stationary while the other is lapped against it, and then the opposite is performed

Is it a strict requirement that one plate remains stationary?

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by suction »

corty wrote: post #85
suction wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla story had two sides - Tesla was aware about the high standards that would be applied to their factory, but somehow thought "we're Tesla so they'll create all kinds of exceptions for us if we pay the right politicians". Turns out not every country is as corrupt as Tesla's home country.

Maybe. But I think all the politicians Tesla could have bought are already owned by their German competitors.

You could be right. It's Tesla, so the thinking was probably more along the lines of "Germany will do whatever we want because we're Tesla."

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by _Microft »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #110
suction wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla story had two sides - Tesla was aware about the high standards that would be applied to their factory, but somehow thought "we're Tesla so they'll create all kinds of exceptions for us if we pay the right politicians". Turns out not every country is as corrupt as Tesla's home country.

Lofty talk from the home of VW AG.

Tesla's plant is in the federate state of Brandenburg, VW is based in Lower Saxony.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by suction »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #110
suction wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tesla story had two sides - Tesla was aware about the high standards that would be applied to their factory, but somehow thought "we're Tesla so they'll create all kinds of exceptions for us if we pay the right politicians". Turns out not every country is as corrupt as Tesla's home country.

Lofty talk from the home of VW AG.

VW AG isn't based in Brandenburg.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Post by sdiepend »

grlass wrote: post #27
ipnon wrote: post #5

TSMC is really the keystone for everything else done that ends up getting talked about on this website. They are constantly at the bleeding edge of computer manufacture and pushing it further still. We should feel some sense of amazement to be alive still in the middle of the computer revolution.

Not to mention the people who design many of the machines that TSMC use in their plants: ASML. "The mirrors guiding this light, made of sandwiched layers of silicon and molybdenum, are ground so precisely that, if scaled to the size of Germany, they would have no bumps bigger than a millimetre" https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/how-asml-becam... >

And don't forget to mention imec in Leuven where lot's research and development gets done for ASML: https://www.imec-int.com/en/about-us https://www.imec-int.com/en/infrastructure
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