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Post by belorn »

sebmellen wrote: post #113
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #83

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All valid points. I guess it’s difficult to simultaneously de-stigmatize and urge caution. Instead what happens is we encourage new people to try it, and then some of the people who have tried it share their experiences with the community. That’s how people end up learning about problems with it. Since it is an experimental phase there are more failures (went poorly for some folks). We might say the same thing happen…

And then the cycle of stigmatization begins again… Almost as if there is a purpose to it. Is stigmatization always an objectively bad thing? I suppose it depends on your frame of reference. I don’t think any person should be stigmatized for what they do, but certain activities may well deserve it. I suppose that’s also a recurrent theme in the New Testament. One thing I think ought to be stigmatized more is video gam…

Every thing that is used by the lower class to escape reality get stigmatized, and the more effective it is the more problematic society view it.

The decline in alcohol addictions is often attributed to gaming, particularly among men. I also personally prefer people who are addicted to games over those addicted to alcohol, and long term it is much safer for everyone involved.

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Post by ipnon »

stared wrote: post #154

I was surprised why OnlyFans is so popular. All in all, there is no shortage of free erotic materials online ( https://observablehq.com/@stared/tree-of-reddit-sex-life for a small subset). I got an insight from "The Surprising Psychology Of OnlyFans Simps by Charisma on Command" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auG2E53dFas ) that subscribers buy attention rather than sex .

People enjoy the reciprocation of donating then receiving an award. It turns the passive activity of watching pornography into an interactive game.

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Post by sokoloff »

blippage wrote: post #198
ayngg wrote: post #74

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I think in general there are some pretty big costs that aren't fully understood to doing sex work, even outside of the social stigma of being found out by your friends and family, there are mental health costs that are often not talked about. A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the l…

> I feel like these dangerous aspects of sex work are often ignored in the current zeitgeist of de-stigmatizing, I agree entirely. I heard of one young lady who started an OnlyFans, apparently did quite well, but decided to stop it because of the psychic damage. I'm going to be heavily downvoted for this, but I'm going to say it anyway ... We need to stop all the bullshit about how it empowers women. Certain sections…

Is it worse than fast food restaurants, pizza joints, or bars exploiting customers who appear (in retrospect) prone to over-indulge?

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Post by michaelt »

thinkingemote wrote: post #136
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

>people are free to do what they'd like Your post seems to suggest you would not be happy for your kids to do what they like when they get older. Often people seem to be happy for other peoples children to do what they like but not theirs. To me this seems like the wrong attitude towards ones neighbours. There's 2 options therefore, for me, if I am honest with my family: disapprove of porn as a life choice or approve…

People make choices I wouldn't recommend all the time.

I don't recommend becoming a single parent at 16 and dropping out of school. But I can respect the strength, determination and shouldering of responsibilities.

I don't recommend joining the army and getting shot at in some afghan village at some septuagenarian senator's say-so. But I can respect people who choose to serve.

I don't recommend taking on a lifetime of debt to get the absolute best education in poetry. But I can respect someone who's dedicated their life to mastering an art, and honed their skills far beyond anything I could achieve.

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vlunkr wrote: post #42
throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

This summarizes my opinion on OF. I'm not sure if it's unethical or predatory, but I'm quite sure that most people posting content there are going to regret it very soon.

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Post by Bayart »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #195
Bayart wrote: post #190

Who knew a site which thrives on abolishing all personal boundaries in digital prostitution would have problems. You can't expect customers to be courteous and professional with you if the product is sex, all the more so if you're leveraging the illusion of a social relationship. It's a one or the other proposition. There's no in-between, there's no picking both. The entire thing is schizophrenic.

But hey, "sex work is work"! We're not going to solve anything with that kind of simplistic catchphrase that mask all the problems regarding this sort of activity. That has never helped and it's frankly flat out false. Prostitution or porn isn't just work for the majority of the women involved in that 'industry' that victimizes them.

I completely agree ! I don't know what would lead you to believe I take sex work as just another trade.

Quite the opposite, I assert that because it is not simply « a job », you can't treat it as such and blur boundaries while expecting to be safe, be it physically or mentally.

I think the entire model is noxious, save for whoever's collecting the money and conveniently washing their hands of any responsibility.

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Post by radu_floricica »

curiousgal wrote: post #119
SilverRed wrote: post #45

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Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common? If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm…

I totally disagree. We've all been teenagers. The content creators posting their OF on TikTok are purposefully targeting teenagers with access to mommy's credit card. I see it a s purely evil and predatory.

In my time it was phone sex. Teenagers with access to parents credit cards will always have things to buy that some will disapprove. Nothing new her. Not even the attempt to make everybody conform the lowest common moral denominator instead of having parents actually supervise their teenagers.

Personally, I don't see why subscribing to a $9 onlyfans account in order to see some tits is so much worse than buying a game.

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Post by larksimian »

tshaddox wrote: post #70
HWR_14 wrote: post #61

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> If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Well, a main issue is society isn't a monolith. Some people might not want to post nudes (just like some people don't want a FB account) but feel societally pressured to do so. Some people, specifically people hiring or electing, might look down on those posting nudes, making people whose nud…

Sure, but how is that different than any other way someone might trade their labor for money (but wouldn’t if they didn’t need the money)?

Putting a monetary value on an activity that otherwise doesn't have it fundamentally alters how people think about that activity whether they want to or not. The best example is selling items in MMOs versus achieving them in game. If you put a $100 price tag on a weapon that otherwise takes 200 hours to grind it will ruin the satisfaction people that ground for it got from the item.

This happens... subconsciously and, I think, unavoidably. Commodifying core human interactions will affect sellers whether they want to or not.

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Post by akudha »

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

I wonder if C is an unsolvable problem. There is some progress being made (revenge porn laws for example), but for the most part, law lags behind. Even if we had robust laws, I doubt law enforcement has the interest and resources to go after such "fans". If resources are stretched, they're gonna pick a murder case to solve than a digital stalker case. It would be more complicated if this so called fan happens to live in another country

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Post by hnbad »

emptysongglass wrote: post #183
stared wrote: post #160

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> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what they are doing. I know a person who changed her work from being a cashier at a supermarket to a sex worker. Mentally, she benefited a lot. In one job, she felt like an automaton serving people. I other she had personal relationships with her clients. You can gues…

My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

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