Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by Engineering-MD » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #101

portpecos wrote: post #85

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Perhaps you're confused, but the rest of Europe isn't confused at how Twitter has a lot of power: German Chancellor Angela Merkel objected to the decisions [of banning Trump], saying on Monday that lawmakers should set the rules governing free speech and not private technology companies. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/merkel-se... Emmanuel Macron blasts social media platforms for banning Trump htt…

I don't think you understand free speech in the US context, Twitter is protected by the first amendment, it itself has freedom of speech and of association. It does not have to allow anything it doesn't want on its platform. It could ban everyone wearing blue in their profile photo, it is THEIR platform. If Twitter COULDN'T ban anyone they wanted under US law THEN it would be a violation of free speech.

And that wouldn’t be an issue if twitter wasn’t so dominant for this form of communication between positions and people. It’s because it is so entrenched without a meaningful equivalent service that this becomes significant.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by msravi » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:57 PM UTC

forcry wrote: post #209

msravi wrote: post #207

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> Also can you give be some proof that this was happening? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Farmers'_Republic_Day_pro... The agitating protestors vandalised a DTC bus and police vehicles. According to the police, the protestors used sticks, iron rods, pelted stones, while some Nihang protestors rode on horses fully equipped with deadly weapons like swords, kirpans and fursas and some protesters even used their trac…

So I think we can agree that there was a clash with police. But you were saying the farmers where indulging in murder. so do you have a number (and source for the same), for how many were murdered by the farmers, during this event?

> But you were saying the farmers where indulging in murder.

I said no such thing.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by forcry » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 2:12 PM UTC

msravi wrote: post #212

forcry wrote: post #209

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So I think we can agree that there was a clash with police. But you were saying the farmers where indulging in murder. so do you have a number (and source for the same), for how many were murdered by the farmers, during this event?

> But you were saying the farmers where indulging in murder. I said no such thing.

>The messages are used to legitimize people armed with daggers and sickles and machetes belonging to sundry outfits pouring out onto the streets and indulging in arson, rioting, and murder.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27781810

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by lugged » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 3:05 PM UTC

warkdarrior wrote: post #184

lugged wrote: post #175

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> So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why? Yes, see monopoly. Why? See tragedy of the commons. > If I operate the world's biggest single-political-party discussion forum, is there a point where the forum is now legally compelled to host the other political party's opinions? The point in which you becom…

> > So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why? > Yes, see monopoly. It's not clear that a large platform is automatically a monopoly. For example, Twitter, Facebook, WeChat, and TikTok coexist.

So instead of acknowledging the argument you want to focus on a generalized use of the word monopoly.

Replace it with "Megacorp" and you have the same argument.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by pcmoney » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

Engineering-MD wrote: post #211

pcmoney wrote: post #101

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I don't think you understand free speech in the US context, Twitter is protected by the first amendment, it itself has freedom of speech and of association. It does not have to allow anything it doesn't want on its platform. It could ban everyone wearing blue in their profile photo, it is THEIR platform. If Twitter COULDN'T ban anyone they wanted under US law THEN it would be a violation of free speech.

And that wouldn’t be an issue if twitter wasn’t so dominant for this form of communication between positions and people. It’s because it is so entrenched without a meaningful equivalent service that this becomes significant.

Could you explain how it is dominant? It is literally one tenth the size of Facebook. It is not even one of the top 10 social networks, currently at #17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_...

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by screye » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

jimsimmons wrote: post #179

screye wrote: post #162

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I'll apologize in advance my response maybe a bit snarky. Your comment does not read like it comes from a place of good faith, so I find it hard to reciprocate. > Perhaps you should think of your tilt when you see ideology in fact checkers That's an awfully convenient way to disregard literally any and all scepticism. Just over the last month the the lab leak theory has gone from conspiracy to a mainstream possibilit…

I agree. But Twitter’s fact checking in India is not about such nuanced matters. Someone literally makes up Hindu-Muslim BS and spreads it on social media when it’s demonstrably false. This is what folks like Alt News do. Bust fake news about “Brahmin priest attacked by Salim” as “A picture of a guy accidentally falling in the pit from 2004”

altnews is the definition of a propaganda channel.

Almost all their debunking is "BJP propaganda is false." That's fair, but they barely even touch similar propaganda being spread by opposition.

it is a classic case of lying by omission. Especially when you call yourself a 'fact checker'.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by Engineering-MD » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

pcmoney wrote: post #215

Engineering-MD wrote: post #211

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And that wouldn’t be an issue if twitter wasn’t so dominant for this form of communication between positions and people. It’s because it is so entrenched without a meaningful equivalent service that this becomes significant.

Could you explain how it is dominant? It is literally one tenth the size of Facebook. It is not even one of the top 10 social networks, currently at #17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_...

It’s hard to draw clear lines between domains, but I think for public representation of official organisations, there isn’t any other. So for this purpose it’s dominant.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by justshowpost » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:44 PM UTC

natoliniak wrote: post #37

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This is darkly funny; of course their loyalty is to money rather than any ideology. They'll be Communists if there's money in it. After all, this enhances shareholder value for the shareholders in the US, and isn't that the one and only thing that matters to a modern company? There's no risk to the bosses and shareholders of being expropriated. Well, unless Dow's local operations get seized ..

> Well, unless Dow's local operations get seized I think Lenin once said: The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them. yep.

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Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by known » Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

rishav_sharan wrote: post #26

xNeil wrote: post #18

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The hashtags insinuated the government was planning a farmer genocide. Source: https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/govt-se...

How is that a threat to India's sovereignty or security? Modi is infamous for having caused, by his actions or inactions, the Gujarat riots that killed 2000+ people. Hell, he was even banned from entering the US, till he became the Indian PM. There is blood on his hands and lots of it. And to give some context on this hash tag, I believe it came after the gov't put across barricades and barbed wires to caroll the pro…

"Who's right doesn't matter, who has the power does" --Thuycydides (b. 400 BC)

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by jimsimmons » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #216

jimsimmons wrote: post #179

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I agree. But Twitter’s fact checking in India is not about such nuanced matters. Someone literally makes up Hindu-Muslim BS and spreads it on social media when it’s demonstrably false. This is what folks like Alt News do. Bust fake news about “Brahmin priest attacked by Salim” as “A picture of a guy accidentally falling in the pit from 2004”

altnews is the definition of a propaganda channel. Almost all their debunking is "BJP propaganda is false." That's fair, but they barely even touch similar propaganda being spread by opposition. it is a classic case of lying by omission. Especially when you call yourself a 'fact checker'.

I don’t understand how anyone can take any issue with someone reducing fake news however biased they are. Some scientist spend their entire lives critiquing certain areas of research. That doesn’t make them less valid or valuable. In fact it’s the opposite.

Why does a party that apparently enjoys extreme popularity need such high amounts of fake news? The fact that you see propaganda in a fake news fighter and not the fake news shows you’re a fish in the an ocean of fake news.