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Costa Rica Has Run on 100% Renewable Electricity for 299 Days

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post #105

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A standing army creates a ton of problems, but what happens if nobody has a standing army? Seems like someone has to play cop and eat the cost (both social and economic) of doing so.

Like many social problems, this is actually a coordination problem, and can be easily boiled down to a tragedy of the commons situation. Everyone would prefer to not have an army, because most of the time you don't need them but they're still expensive to maintain and when you do need them they're even more expensive. But if nobody has an army then the bad actors can form an army and take over everybody else. So ever…

The fascinating thing is that the "well the bad guys could form an army" argument sounds logical, but really isn't. You can't secretly recruit and train several 100,000 people.

The closest we've ever come to seeing this happen in real time was probably with German rearmament in the 20s and 30s, and they were telegraphing for decades what they were doing.

It does however raise the other problem - if people are willing to stand by and ignore obviously bad actors skirting closer and closer to the line, you'll have at some point a fairly big problem, and it depends on how long you waited.

That is the bigger problem of global demilitarization - the fact that non-action in the face of a violation usually plays better to a domestic audience than actually doing something. (This is a pattern that has and will play out repeatedly. That's the actual question that needs answering)

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post #167

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I haven't read those books, but a priori it sounds like cherry picking. Mexico for example had a revolution which gave the land to the people and is a country that, over a century later, is still struggling with corruption, ignorance, superstition, etc. I've been living in Mexico for 12 years and IMO it all comes down to poor education like the grandparent comment by belval suggested. As an example, take the current…

The book has sections about Mexico as well. The basic gist is that the fundamental institutions that result in the inequality have persisted, even if the government has been overturned several times. The overarching theme of the book is about what types of incentives result from various types of institutions, and how positive and negative feedback loops can form therein. Ultimately, Mexico has suffered significantly…

> by not respecting property rights

Ref. the movie Viva Zapata! Which has Marlon Brando playing a Mexican revolutionary hero facing this kind of disillusioning outcome over & over. (Mostly bringing this up because I went to the trouble to watch it recently and needed a conversation to work it into)

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post #60

This is meaningless on a global scale. Globally, we've added more mega watts of coal power for decades. Doesn't look like it is stopping anytime soon. https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants

This is not meaningless. It is an important data-point. One that clearly proves it is possible. One that teaches what works and what not. Those data-points are crucial for other countries or political groups to be swayed and convinced. It may be meaningless for global greenhouse-gas emission reduction in itself, true. But for "the movement" it is an important milestone.

While meaningless may not be the best choice of word, Costa Rica's success with hydro is borderline useless to the majority of the world that does not have geography for a dam.

Hydro energy works, what exactly is novel or meaningful about that?

the title here is 100% clickbait as it frames the situation as "renewables" work when the accurate claim is "hydro + a small population" works.

Re: Costa Rica Has Run on 100% Renewable Electricity for 299 Days

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post #199

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So would you describe the Maginot line as a good investment?

Obviously not. Germany noticed lines have ends, and just went around.

So you're saying that a nation without a large standing army can build a new force well suited to exploiting weaknesses of its adversaries who spend substantially on maintaining investments in defense which contain those exploitable weaknesses?

One might go so far as to say that not having a strong standing army for an extended period of time actually proved militarily advantageous for the Germans in 1940 when their new army outmaneuvered an obsolete one.

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post #143

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So long as you can raise an army at some future point in time should the need arise, this issue seems moot. It's inefficient to maintain a standing army when it is unnecessary.

>So long as you can raise an army at some future point in time should the need arise, this issue seems moot. By the time you could cobble together an army any modern military would have already conquered you, especially if you have super strict civilian firearm laws like Costa Rica that make putting together defensive militias much, much harder.

> especially if you have super strict civilian firearm laws like Costa Rica that make putting together defensive militias much, much harder.

Not refuting the larger point, but this part sounds questionable. For a country, rifles are easy to provision: just buy enough and keep them in well-guarded armories in strategic locations. Trained soldiers are much harder to come by.

South Korea has relatively strict gun laws and very few people own one at home. But almost every male goes through two years of military service. In case of a foreign invasion, it won't take 24 hours to summon millions of civilians, just throw each one a rifle, and there's your army.

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Like many social problems, this is actually a coordination problem, and can be easily boiled down to a tragedy of the commons situation. Everyone would prefer to not have an army, because most of the time you don't need them but they're still expensive to maintain and when you do need them they're even more expensive. But if nobody has an army then the bad actors can form an army and take over everybody else. So ever…

The fascinating thing is that the "well the bad guys could form an army" argument sounds logical, but really isn't. You can't secretly recruit and train several 100,000 people. The closest we've ever come to seeing this happen in real time was probably with German rearmament in the 20s and 30s, and they were telegraphing for decades what they were doing. It does however raise the other problem - if people are willing…

Alas with modern warfare you don't need 100k people in order to curb-stomp the unmilitarized competition.

I am certain the US for instance could easily make nukes with no other country knowing about it, and that's with all the people in the US who would scream that from the rooftops if they knew.

Or you could get even more creative: make a virus in a lab, develop a vaccine / cure, vaccinate your population, release the virus. We don't even know if COVID-19 came from a Wuhan lab and even if it did it seems incredibly unlikely it was developed as a weapon. Imagine the secrecy that would be involved by a country doing so deliberately.

Between nukes / bioweapons / chemical weapons / drones / etc, a country could definitely achieve a huge edge before any other country knew what was happening. It's not 1920 anymore.

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I'll concede it's not a typical country since the weather is pretty unique, but Scotland is ~97% renewable and ~75% wind. It's well suited for some parts of the world at least.

>but Scotland is ~97% renewable ... They aren't. The 97% renewable claim is misleading. Scotland can generate huge amount of wind/solar energy at certain times of day that they cannot use, and therefore they have to rely on fossil fuels for evenings and nights and any time sun isn't shining and wind isn't blowing. Their actual renewable *consumption* is on the order of 30%.

Do you have a source? I would love to read more about that.

FWIW I currently live in Norway which is ~100% renewable but that's mainly hydro and a very different situation with the amount of potential energy that hydro gives the 5M population.

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post #214

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Obviously not. Germany noticed lines have ends, and just went around.

So you're saying that a nation without a large standing army can build a new force well suited to exploiting weaknesses of its adversaries who spend substantially on maintaining investments in defense which contain those exploitable weaknesses? One might go so far as to say that not having a strong standing army for an extended period of time actually proved militarily advantageous for the Germans in 1940 when their…

The Brits abd French actually drastically cut military spending between WWI and WWII

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post #85
post #59

This the classic, usual kind of misleading news about renewable energy. Keep dreaming, hoping and advocating for renewables, but it's just not the solution. Nuclear is the only viable solution.

Agreed. And: where do the concrete, steel and electronic components to build and service these "energy sources" come from? ...not "renewable". But don't let accurate counting get in the way of accounting(tm).

you need less steel and concrete for nuclear than for renewables

electronics were not common when nuclear energy was built

also other comments pointed out how misleading the article is

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post #3

Is there an easy answer as to why Costa Rica is doing so well? They seem to be a bit of an exception in Central/South America. EDIT: From Wikipedia "It is known for its long-standing and stable democracy, and for its highly educated workforce, most of whom speak English. The country spends roughly 6.9% of its budget (2016) on education, compared to a global average of 4.4%. Its economy, once heavily dependent on agri…

Costa Rica is an interesting mishmash of neoliberal economic policies and some radical (non-traditional) ideas.

non-traditional ideas:

* no army

* generate most government revenue from sales taxes rather than income taxes

* firm commitment to prioritize economic growth over social spending (Costa Rica has among the highest rates of inequality in the OECD)

* much higher levels of education spending (7+% of GDP) (but PISA scores in the bottom half of Latin America and they are falling)

That said, it has problems common to Latin America:

* Low test scores and poor educational outcomes

* Declining fertility leading to pension shortfalls

* Black/gray markets where a large part of the labor force is employed informally and thus does not make pension contributions or pay income taxes

In terms of taxation, there is a 13% sales tax on everything except food and medicine.

They do have an income tax, but it's a weird hybrid between a flat tax and a wealth-surcharge, in that the majority of the population pays no income tax at all.

Median income in Costa Rica is about 6K and average income is 9K. But your first $10K is tax exempt, those earning 10-18K pay 10%, and the highest bracket is 15%.

That is a very different structure than you find in western nations which have upper tax brackets in the range of 40% or even 80%.

There is a separate income tax for self-employed workers which goes up to 25%, but again very few self-employed businesses will earn.

Costa Rica also has a progressive property tax, starting at .25% and going to .55% with the highest bracket applying to 3 million dollars or more. It has 7 property brackets. Thus there are more than twice as many property tax brackets as there are income tax brackets! Yet because those brackets, like the income brackets, only hit the very high end, overall Costa Rica collects the among the least revenue from income and property taxes compared to the rest of the OECD. It is almost entirely dependent on sales taxes, excise taxes, and social security contributions to fund its budget.

It also has a number of free trade zones in which businesses don't pay any taxes at all (neither income, nor import/export) if they meet certain conditions.

source: https://www.oecd.org/economy/surveys/costa-rica-2020-OECD-ec...

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