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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by surround »

smoldesu wrote: post #159
rhizome wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Shebangs" have been defined as '#!' for decades, I'd suggest they not be redefined.

Shebang specifically refers to using an exclamation point to define where data should be directed. Same as it is in Bash scripts, just a different context and slightly different syntax.

> In computing, a shebang is the character sequence consisting of the characters number sign and exclamation mark (#!) at the beginning of a script.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)

The word "shebang" has different uses outside of computing, but I can't find any use of the word that refers to a ! without a #

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by [deleted] »

smoldesu wrote: post #152
axaxs wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a browser, so here's hoping search pans out. I don't mind a company profiling me. A lot of Google's cross interacting products work great(Gmail to Calendar and Maps, for example). I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. A guy can dream...

> I don't mind a company profiling me Not everyone has that luxury. > I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data Then your data is worthless to them. Nobody wants companies to abuse their personal data, that's why it's such a lucrative business. Companies like Apple and Brave get away with it by edging out competition and instating their own standards (see: Brave's Ad "replacement"). It's all so rid…

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Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by smoldesu »

jonathansampson wrote: post #169
smoldesu wrote: post #162

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Yep. The fact that it even existed in the Brave browser at any point in time is enough to eternally dissuade me from using it.

The BAT (and before it, Bitcoin) is there as an optional feature. It's not on or enabled by default. It's there for users who wish to anonymously earn rewards for their attention, and use those rewards to support content creators on the Web.

...except those "rewards" don't ever reach the creators pockets, unless they're savvy enough to make their own ERC wallet and go through the collection process.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by axaxs »

smoldesu wrote: post #152
axaxs wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same excitement here. I'd love to see anyone(Brave or others) chip away at my Google dependencies, even if they charge me for them. I already love Brave as a browser, so here's hoping search pans out. I don't mind a company profiling me. A lot of Google's cross interacting products work great(Gmail to Calendar and Maps, for example). I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data. A guy can dream...

> I don't mind a company profiling me Not everyone has that luxury. > I just don't want them advertising to me, or selling my data Then your data is worthless to them. Nobody wants companies to abuse their personal data, that's why it's such a lucrative business. Companies like Apple and Brave get away with it by edging out competition and instating their own standards (see: Brave's Ad "replacement"). It's all so rid…

> Then your data is worthless to them

This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by azinman2 »

calpaterson wrote: post #4

This seems to be quick and gives decent results for what I tried! Very promising! Going to try setting it as the default...

I search to ask if brave built their own index. Relevant results up top, then I’m getting CNN article about Fox’s right word shift, and all kinds of other completely unrelated items. Incidentally they all were interesting sounding (clickbait) and I found myself reaching these unrelated articles. It was a bit like browsing Reddit, except this is a search engine and I had a very specific yes/no question.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by Nicksil »

lawl wrote: post #200
Nicksil wrote: post #181

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>Not true. https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so... >In practice I've found their results to be basically identical to bing and other bing front-ends. This is anecdote. Countering my argument -- calling it misleading -- with anecdote doesn't work.

They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia [1] https://d…

>They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there.

You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by azinman2 »

I find it very interesting that Eich was outsted from Mozilla for his anti-gay stance, and much of HN was in agreement at the time, yet this seems to never come up with Brave despite LGBTQ rights having far stronger support today. Why is that?

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by vorticalbox »

btdmaster wrote: post #42

It seems there is telemetry, sending the day, OS and browser type (among other things I cannot identify) by POST: https://archive.is/0NTrt It seems it can be disabled in the settings ( https://search.brave.com/settings ) but it's opt-out rather than opt-in.

This is rather annoying, hopefully it will be opt in once the beta is over.

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by open-paren »

jonathansampson wrote: post #127
open-paren wrote: post #119

I think they copied DuckDuckGo's bangs. It's nowhere in the documentation, and the UI never indicates it, but bang searches (like `!stackoverflow parse html with regex`) work in Brave Search exactly as they do in DuckDuckGo. Preliminary testing of mine suggests that they just copied DuckDuckGo's list directly–I tried a few obscure ones from DDG, like `!ldss` or `!uib`, and they work in Brave Search. @w0ts0n any detai…

We support many shebangs, with more to come in the future. For now, this is what is offered: !i - Search Images !n - Search News !a - Amazon !b - Bing !d - DuckDuckGo !e - eBay !g - Google !p - Pinterest !r - Reddit !s - StartPage !w - Wikipedia !li - LinkedIn !gh - GitHub !gm - Google Maps !so - Stack Overflow !tw - Twitter !yt - YouTube !wa - Wolfram Alpha !mj - Mojeek !osm - Open Street Map !mdn - Mozilla Develope…

If that's all that's offered, why does DDG's obscure shebangs work on Brave Search?

https://search.brave.com/search?q=!hn+brave+search

Re: Brave Search beta

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Post by lawl »

Nicksil wrote: post #216
lawl wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. When they say over 400 sources it even links to [0] a page about instant answers. What do you expect? That I hack into ddg and give you their source? Try some searches for yourself and see that the results [1] are basically identical to bing [2] and other engines using bing[3], when compared to different indicies[4][5][6]. [0] https://duck.co/ia [1] https://d…

>They pretty clearly only talk about instant answers there. You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?

> You seem to be dismissing instant answers when in-fact those are exactly what the end-user expects; that's search results: Type in a query, get an answer. What am I missing here?

No, I didn't, and in my first post I also said they aren't from bing:

> What's not from bing are the widgets like weather, or dictionary definitions etc

I also said that I've used ddg for years. Presumably that had a reason?

I said the main results are pretty much straight bing, and have now backed it up, about as well as you can reasonably expect me to. That's all there's to it. Please don't interpret more into what I wrote, than what I actually wrote.

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