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The PinePhone could bring the Linux mobile ecosystem to life

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Re: The PinePhone could bring the Linux mobile ecosystem to life

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Post by draklor40 »

fsflover wrote: post #124
draklor40 wrote: post #101

Unpopular Opinion: I don't want a Linux Desktop (XFCE, KDE, etc) on my phone. I don't care about being able to run terminals or `chown -R user xyz` or `htop` on my phone. I want a phone with a decently polished OS, smooth (given hardware constraints) that can run apps that I control (deny ads, location info. etc) and provides an alternative to the Android/IOS duopoly. I just hope that the Pine Community will realize…

In this case Librem 5 would be a better fit for you I guess. This is how Purism advertise their phone.

Agreed, but irrespective of Librem/PinePhone, companies in general can build much better products when they focus on doing few things good than many things bad.

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Post by fsflover »

tetrisgm wrote: post #209
fsflover wrote: post #190

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Which performance exactly? Both phones can play video and provide smooth scrolling in Firefox. They support not too heavy desktop applications (convergence). Are you going to run GPT3 on them?

I wanna run music players, docker images, a bunch of browser tabs, password manager, play HD video, various messengers. Without compromise.

AFAIK it all should work on Librem 5 just fine. Even Pinephone shouldn't have a problem here. See demo videos here: https://media.lrdu.org/sxmo_pinephone_demos/.

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Post by zepto »

fsflover wrote: post #206
zepto wrote: post #202

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That’s just a wish. How do you create the incentive for it?

I think that just must be a law. I see no other possibility.

How would the law define ‘support ends’?

Also seizing source code at gunpoint seems antithetical to the notion of free software.

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Post by fsflover »

zepto wrote: post #213
fsflover wrote: post #206

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I think that just must be a law. I see no other possibility.

How would the law define ‘support ends’? Also seizing source code at gunpoint seems antithetical to the notion of free software.

This is the question of security, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27387169.

> How would the law define ‘support ends’?

Whenever the company refuses to fix security bugs.

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Post by zepto »

fsflover wrote: post #214
zepto wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would the law define ‘support ends’? Also seizing source code at gunpoint seems antithetical to the notion of free software.

This is the question of security, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27387169 . > How would the law define ‘support ends’? Whenever the company refuses to fix security bugs.

What if they don’t refuse - but are just slow or inefficient or produce bad fixes?

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Post by fsflover »

zepto wrote: post #215
fsflover wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the question of security, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27387169 . > How would the law define ‘support ends’? Whenever the company refuses to fix security bugs.

What if they don’t refuse - but are just slow or inefficient or produce bad fixes?

There exist more or less standard times for fixing security bugs. Let's say 90 days. If a company cannot provide security for their customers in a reasonable time, they must be held accountable.

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Post by zepto »

fsflover wrote: post #216
zepto wrote: post #215

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What if they don’t refuse - but are just slow or inefficient or produce bad fixes?

There exist more or less standard times for fixing security bugs. Let's say 90 days. If a company cannot provide security for their customers in a reasonable time, they must be held accountable.

Sure - typically the remedy for negligence would be compensation for the impact.

Seizing property at gunpoint doesn’t seem related to this.

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Post by Darvokis »

noduerme wrote: post #197
squarefoot wrote: post #55

One point that should be repeated ad infinitum for those reading about the Pinephone for the 1st time: it's all about the freedom, not performance. One doesn't buy the Pinephone to brag about its technical achievements with friends, but rather to contribute building an ecosystem, even just by spreading the word, of people who put freedom and privacy above everything. I also should be repeated ad infinitum why its har…

So currently, it's a couple days after police and intelligence agencies worldwide raided the owners of ANOM-using phones that were allegedly private and built to exclude common hardware/software that's used for tracking. I'm not saying the governments of the world were wrong to bring those people down. But do you really expect anyone to buy a phone - with any combination of hardware and software - and retain any expe…

> Am I paranoid to think that this sounds like a continuation of the ANOM project... selling a supposedly secure, home brew and private device to the gullible who desperately want a secure channel?

The difference being that the point of the PinePhone is that the whole stack, from the hardware up to everything software, is open source or runs on open source firmware.

The Anom was a completely closed-source solution which required a large amount of trust in a single entity. The Pinephone (and by extension every other Linux phone, whether it exists yet or not) leverages the strengths of the Linux community and is in no way comparable.

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Post by Bancakes »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #104
Bancakes wrote: post #58

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It's sad to see free hardware is so comically behind commercial one.

To be fair, it's also priced dramatically lower. It's not fair to compare a current iPhone, priced at more than $1200 on the open market, with the Pine Phone priced at $150. This is where they chose to bring a phone to market and I think it's a smart move. They'll attract a bigger audience and make it easier for people to sim-swap and experiment. When the distros get good enough, they can price out higher end hardwar…

I can buy a Prestigio phone from aliexpress that far outperforms the pinephone, and is feature-complete.

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Post by smoldesu »

jlokier wrote: post #127
lbotos wrote: post #8

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I'm curious, what apps do you use day to day that need to be native? For me, 99% could easily be web-based, which makes "mobile web" the standard, and not necessarily "linux-phone."

For me it's banking apps, og which I have many. Some can be operated via the web but they tend to require a hardware authentication token, which is as inconvenient as carrying a second phone (each bank requires a different token or card reader). Some can be operated via the web but use their phone app as an authentication token for web access. And some don't provide full functionality via the web at all. Plus, the ap…

I can't speak to your spending habits, but if a bank exclusively operates on a single-platform native app, I'd consider that a dealbreaker for if I want to use it or not.
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