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Post by whimsicalism »

Fnoord wrote: post #189
whimsicalism wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. I'm not sure where the calculus lies on having a dose go slightly more slowly to populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young, affluent populations who are much less likely to die from it or get it. I am sure that those decisions should be made by the state, not the individual 25-year old who decides that they are deserving of the vaccine now . Also, many of those links t…

> Hm. I'm not sure where the calculus lies on having a dose go slightly more slowly to populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young, affluent populations who are much less likely to die from it or get it. You went from two groups ("populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young") to one ("young, affluent populations who are much less li…

The latter group "young, affluent" in the Bay Area, typically do not work jobs with extensive human contact. Most jobs with extensive human contact were prioritized in the Bay by March, so skipping ahead implies people whose jobs did not require human contact.

The only point I'm trying to make is that it was morally wrong to lie to skip ahead in the eligibility lines in March.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by slownews45 »

plusbryan wrote: post #22

This is really distressing, especially considering the ongoing public behavior of the original founder. Kicking out Paul seems like the opposite reaction for YC to have. It would be helpful to hear a public comment from them about this situation.

Glad to see ycombinator shut down these outrage trolls.

I drove someone to what I suppose was one of these clinics. Was pouring rain. They had shots left over. Clinic staff said please get a shot. The one problem - their form didn't have a spot for leftover shots, so they had to lie about my eligibility.

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Post by scrollaway »

ixacto wrote: post #178
scrollaway wrote: post #161

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Let's make three things very clear: - Lying to jump the queue, ahead of people who need it more is trashy, selfish, should be not just discouraged but heavily reprimanded. - A lot of the vaccine distribution is awful and disorganized. This often leads to vaccines being thrown away. - SHOTS IN ARMS. A vaccine in someone is better than a vaccine thrown away, even if it's not optimally distributed. "Just showing up" is…

The only problem with the three points you list is that the first and third are contradictory. We were literally throwing away vaccines here in the United States if they could not find anyone eligible to vaccinate.

They're not. To be honest I'm kind of baffled why people keep equating the two in their heads. I don't want to be "that guy", but use your imagination.

Example 1: Low-risk person forges papers to claim they're high risk or in a situation that justifies getting a vaccine Right The Fuck Now, subsequently jumping through a bunch of hoops to get a spot in a highly crowded queue.

Example 2: Person shows up at the end of the day in a vax center that is throwing away 50 doses if they can't get them in arms before people go home.

Example 1 is someone being trashy and selfish, stealing a vaccine from someone who might be able to get it today, result mostly negative. Example 2 is not stealing anything, but rather preventing a vaccine from being wasted and thus a net positive result.

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Post by tingletech »

Hamuko wrote: post #119
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #109

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At this point in the US, anyone who wants to get a vaccine can get one. That makes getting it a personal choice. Then you have this person try to damage Ycombinator because one of their founders spoke internally about the matter. Absolutely tactless. You'd expect future founders to be able to consider potential repercussions for biting the hand that's serving them.

> At this point in the US, anyone who wanted to get a vaccine can get one. Pretty sure when this actually happened, vaccines were not actually open to anyone that just wanted one.

that site was well known locally at the time to accept anyone who walked up

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Post by whimsicalism »

isoskeles wrote: post #200
dougmccune wrote: post #67

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I live in Oakland. This incident seems to be back in early March. Back then the large vaccination sites were all listed on myturn.ca.gov (ie the Oakland Coliseum). They'd post new batches of appointments and they would be all booked really fast (within minutes or hours). But Curative was also running vaccinations sites in Oakland and Berkeley. They weren't listed on the myturn website, so people didn't know about the…

Alameda County wasted more doses than any other county in California, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a link between this fact and all the open appointments. It is true that if appointments were open, doses could go unused (and spoil because they were thawed in a batch). https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article251823018.htm... If we continue using mRNA vaccines in the future, I hope some of these logis…

> Alameda County wasted more doses than any other county in California,

Not true if you look at per capita numbers. Alameda had 0.39% spoiled.

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Post by ivanbakel »

chris11 wrote: post #94
ivanbakel wrote: post #41

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>But it does not seem like the tweet everyone is focusing on was even true. So the story becomes possibly, that YC kicked someone out for spreading lies about people in their internal community? I don't know. It's still partially true - the allegation of lying was wrong, but the allegation of instructing others how to lie is still being made. This is clarified by the tweet that you linked.

I didn't quite read it that way. The accusation is that both told other people how to skip the line. My assumption is that the both founders told other people how they could get the vaccine. A more charitable observation would be that the second founder told people how they could get it without waiting in line or lying. The accusation still sounds gross. Though vaccine rollout wasn't great in the bay area. I got an e…

>The accusation is that both told other people how to skip the line. My assumption is that the both founders told other people how they could get the vaccine. A more charitable observation would be that the second founder told people how they could get it without waiting in line or lying.

You're being charitable in the wrong direction, because you're not interpreting the allegations in good faith. What would be the point of taking to Twitter if all the second founder did was instruct people how to get a vaccine, without the component of lying to bypass the queue?

Since there would be no point to such an outrage, it's uncharitable to pre-emptively dismiss the contents of the allegations. Whether or not they are eventually shown to be true, they should still be interpreted in the most serious and direct way.

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Post by whimsicalism »

scrollaway wrote: post #213
ixacto wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only problem with the three points you list is that the first and third are contradictory. We were literally throwing away vaccines here in the United States if they could not find anyone eligible to vaccinate.

They're not. To be honest I'm kind of baffled why people keep equating the two in their heads. I don't want to be "that guy", but use your imagination. Example 1: Low-risk person forges papers to claim they're high risk or in a situation that justifies getting a vaccine Right The Fuck Now, subsequently jumping through a bunch of hoops to get a spot in a highly crowded queue. Example 2: Person shows up at the end of t…

But example 2 wouldn't be skipping the queue, which is what the tweet is discussing.

Plenty of people were doing the showing up at end of day thing, it wasn't frowned on at all back in March.

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Post by Fnoord »

whimsicalism wrote: post #211
Fnoord wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hm. I'm not sure where the calculus lies on having a dose go slightly more slowly to populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young, affluent populations who are much less likely to die from it or get it. You went from two groups ("populations that are more likely to get covid and/or die from it than quickly to young") to one ("young, affluent populations who are much less li…

The latter group "young, affluent" in the Bay Area, typically do not work jobs with extensive human contact. Most jobs with extensive human contact were prioritized in the Bay by March, so skipping ahead implies people whose jobs did not require human contact. The only point I'm trying to make is that it was morally wrong to lie to skip ahead in the eligibility lines in March.

Ah right. I am not familiar with the Bay area in these regards. Makes sense though. For example here in The Netherlands, only the elder, disabled (certain disabilities), and the medical employees got ahead. Then the police wanted to get ahead of line, which is IMO justified (but I get that its fuel for people who are against vaccins or the Covid regulations in general). Btw, I edited my post while you replied to it, sorry. I added a parallel I see with responsible disclosure.

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Post by fruityrudy »

etc-hosts wrote: post #34

I hope Paul Graham takes a principled stand and tweets his support for Biggar. https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Apaulg%20%22cancel%20cult...

Biggar was clearly the instigator. Trying to cancel / internet mob the other dude… by actually lying himself now we find out.
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