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Life after an internet mob attack

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Re: Life after an internet mob attack

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Post by exporectomy »

zxzax wrote: post #191
BitwiseFool wrote: post #25

The most disturbing and insidious sentiment of online mobs is claiming that the targets are "just being held accountable". Or that such people are just experiencing "consequences". I really can't express just how cold and bloodthirsty such statements seem to be. It's the perfect combination of justifying vicious behavior while also absolving themselves of responsibility.

So how could responsibility be ensured? Make a social media site where people can't criticize each other at all? Require all posts to go through third party fact checkers? To put it another way: If, in your opinion, twitter users are not subject to accountability based on the chaotic randomness of public opinion, then who are they being held accountable to? Who even determines what a "consequence" is in that scenario…

How about more employee friendly labor law so people can't get fired because of public pressure? Without teeth, this mob justice will be less of a real world problem and more contained to social media.

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Post by SavantIdiot »

exporectomy wrote: post #206
SavantIdiot wrote: post #163

I wouldn't call OP's post "receipts", but rather "his curated receipts." What makes more sense? Some dude has been creepy and only showed the positive side in his defense, or three random unrelated women -- who he claims only ever had lovely, adoring exchanges with him -- decided to destroy his life for no apparent reason. I mean, the former case has a precedent for happening almost habitually in the past, you'd have…

Don't judge people on what your emotions tell you is most likely what that type of person usually has a reputation for doing according to the selectively reported news. That's how racism works, or in your case, it's sexism.

That's not at all how racism and sexism work.

Racism and sexism depend on power imbalance, and calling out centuries of existence of either when exploring if there is a power imbalance at play is not related.

Saying "This race is inferior" is vastly different than saying, "This race was and is still exploited by power structures." Do you understand difference?

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Post by zxzax »

exporectomy wrote: post #211
zxzax wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how could responsibility be ensured? Make a social media site where people can't criticize each other at all? Require all posts to go through third party fact checkers? To put it another way: If, in your opinion, twitter users are not subject to accountability based on the chaotic randomness of public opinion, then who are they being held accountable to? Who even determines what a "consequence" is in that scenario…

How about more employee friendly labor law so people can't get fired because of public pressure? Without teeth, this mob justice will be less of a real world problem and more contained to social media.

So what would that look like? Would employers no longer field public complaints about potential problem employees, under any circumstances? In effect, they would be required to always side with the employee in case of a dispute?

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Post by exporectomy »

tootie wrote: post #205
notacoward wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lost as much respect for Scott Adams as anyone, so I'd agree that quoting him is ill advised, but the underlying sentiment is not wrong. Mobs do cause harm, not least because they make redemption harder than it already is. In a way, treating a Scott Adams quote as an automatic disqualifier is only making the OP's point.

They cause harm when they're wrong. Not when they're right. A mob went after Harvey Weinstein because after the first few accusations they rest realized they weren't alone.

Same is true of lynch mobs in real life. Sometimes they do kill actual baddies. It's the tendency to be wrong that makes vigilante justice a problem.

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Post by carabiner »

Manuel_D wrote: post #197
SavantIdiot wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's his receipt. Not hers. Is that really 100% of the interactions they've had? You seem to be pretty confident there's only his side of the story.

Then she should share receipt of the alleged creepy messages. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

Yeah, the only "evidence" brought by the women are screenshots from anonymous Twitter accounts with no proof they're associated with Pasquale. Surely someone must have a harassing message from the guy?

Also, not proud of this, but I used to have a weird troll dating account. I sent weird messages to women that I didn't know, but nothing offensive (to me). I googled my username once and found that someone had thought it was her ex. She posted it on Reddit in an alcoholism subreddit, and anyone in the thread questioning her was then also accused by her of being her ex under an alt. It was insane.

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Post by manquer »

sequoia wrote: post #106
dvt wrote: post #3

The best solution here is to completely disconnect from social media or (at most) have an incredibly sanitized presence. Unless your job or livelihood revolves around needing to engage with a random internet audience (i.e. you're an influencer, entertainer, etc.) stay away from having a public persona on Twitter/Facebook/etc. The only community I interact with candidly tends to be this one. I don't post on Twitter, F…

+1. I did exactly this a few years back when I saw a prominent member of the Nodejs community get savaged for linking to an article (exploring the idea that campus speech codes might adversely impact autistic people). I thought "if they can (nearly) take down this guy (a Nodejs technical steering committee member) for linking to a blog post, what are they going to do to me, Joe Nobody?" I was primarily a consultant a…

What if you need increase your reputation so you get invited to more conferences and talks then you may need to engage on social media ?

perhaps sticking to purely technical posts may help, it is hard for me to say what drives engagement in these platforms.

It is fine line to walk

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Post by Zababa »

renewiltord wrote: post #42
smoldesu wrote: post #4

This is why your identity online should never be traceable back to your real name. It's a pretty scorched-earth opinion on privacy, but the internet ultimately doesn't change if you use an alias. If you do so, employers will come back empty-handed when they try Googling you, and they'll have a harder time finding "that dumb Twitter post" that jeopardizes your job. None of this is to say that you should be a bad perso…

It doesn't matter, man. The donglegate dudes were IRL cancelled. EDIT: What? You don't need to be online. Other people can put you online. Whether or not Donglegate was legitimate, clearly the mechanism exists.

They were at a public event though. Facing the consequences of being unprofessional at a public event is something that I think is relatively normal.

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Post by renewiltord »

bhk wrote: post #175
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #29

From the linked Notion "Receipts" page: > I've struggled to understand why so many people have piled on to these absurd accusations without facts. I watched a similar situation play out in real time. A friend had to fire an employee who wasn't submitting work or even responding to communications. The employe retaliated by using their moderately large social media presence to disparage my friend and her company. Stran…

“It is absolutely essential that we believe Jussie Smollett. If we don’t, other people who haven’t been attacked might not have the courage to come forward.” https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/4/wokes-on-you

That’s a Titania McGrath quote. She’s fictional. A parody.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

shadowgovt wrote: post #37
smoldesu wrote: post #4

This is why your identity online should never be traceable back to your real name. It's a pretty scorched-earth opinion on privacy, but the internet ultimately doesn't change if you use an alias. If you do so, employers will come back empty-handed when they try Googling you, and they'll have a harder time finding "that dumb Twitter post" that jeopardizes your job. None of this is to say that you should be a bad perso…

But in an increasingly default-online world, "employers come back empty-handed" looks suspicious and can get you passed over for candidates with robust LinkedIn profiles. And keeping oneself pseudonymous doesn't help at all if someone with an issue goes after you publicly online and the only search result for your name becomes someone else's side of the story.

If I need a LinkedIn or other social media account to get a particular job then I don't want that particular job.

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Post by zozbot234 »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #212
exporectomy wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't judge people on what your emotions tell you is most likely what that type of person usually has a reputation for doing according to the selectively reported news. That's how racism works, or in your case, it's sexism.

That's not at all how racism and sexism work. Racism and sexism depend on power imbalance, and calling out centuries of existence of either when exploring if there is a power imbalance at play is not related. Saying "This race is inferior" is vastly different than saying, "This race was and is still exploited by power structures." Do you understand difference?

The smallest, most vulnerable, most powerless minority of them all is the individual. So parent's point is still very relevant.
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