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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by GongOfFour »

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128
perardi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

One of the things I've seen in the Powerboost (their hybrid model) reviews is that even when people disable traction control to launch it, there is something happening that keeps it from spinning out. I think the electric engine might have a mandatory control mechanism in it that cannot be bypassed.

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Example: https://youtu.be/HGzlV4ggudM?t=425

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Post by igetspam »

toast0 wrote: post #153
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Fuel efficiency standards killed the small truck. In the turn of the century EV era, Ford had an electric Ranger which was built on the much smaller (at the time) Ranger platform. But you can't make an ICE small truck that meets the 200x updated CAFE standards, so the small trucks either disapeared (S10) or got bigger (toyota small trucks), or got bigger then disappeared and later reappeared still big (Ranger). An EV…

I've owned and driven a handful of trucks. Ranger sized trucks feel the least useful. Can't tow much. Can't haul much. Can't get into muck. Can't hold many people. Aerodynamics of a brick. An electric F150 is compelling. We just upgraded to a new one because we need the tow capacity and the F150 beat out the F250s we were looking at. It's a great size and checks all the boxes.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by hugihlynsson »

seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

What you are seeing there is a trend in UI design called Neumorphism.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by perardi »

GongOfFour wrote: post #193
perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

They said the same about twin turbos in their trucks, but they got used to it.

Yeahhhh, that’s a fair point, they sell every one they can make of those EcoBoosts.

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Post by crazyjncsu »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #36

I just remember Clarkson talking about the hybrid f150 on TG. He said then that Ford had a survey of features that customers wanted added to the truck. A hybrid powertrain, he claimed, was something like number 24 on the list. In other words there are 23 things customers want more then a hybrid. If that is true, then i'm unclear how much of a profit- maker a fully electric f150 will be.

“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

― Henry Ford

The people answering your survey probably weren't aware they could power an entire jobsite with just a truck. Killer features such as this will be how electric vehicles penetrate the holdouts.

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Post by kasey_junk »

ballenf wrote: post #145
mfer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

Speaking personally, I've never owned a truck but began considering it during Covid. Why? The cost premium of hiring someone for home improvement jobs vs. DIY seems to have gone up. And the difficulty of finding someone qualified, reputable and with available capacity seems to have become exponentially higher. "So I guess I need a truck" is what I've recently been thinking.

A van is better in almost every dimension for construction. Effectively the only reason to own a pickup truck (vs some other better utility vehicle) is if you have trailer that needs it.

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Post by namdnay »

jrsj wrote: post #179
mfer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

I own an F150 I use primarily for commuting but it also has a comfortable ride, >20 highway mpg, good visibility, utility for when I need to move furniture etc, and it’s relatively affordable and holds its value . Trucks depreciate slower than any other category of vehicle. Literally the only downside is that it’s a pain to park sometimes.

if my conversion is right, 25 us mpg is 10 l/100km... that's nearly double the consumption of a family estate.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gizmo385 »

jrsj wrote: post #179
mfer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

I own an F150 I use primarily for commuting but it also has a comfortable ride, >20 highway mpg, good visibility, utility for when I need to move furniture etc, and it’s relatively affordable and holds its value . Trucks depreciate slower than any other category of vehicle. Literally the only downside is that it’s a pain to park sometimes.

> Literally the only downside is that it’s a pain to park sometimes.

I'd argue there is a societal disadvantage regarding the emissions these trucks kick out.

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Post by blamazon »

endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

Minivans are not “cool.”

It pains me. They are cool. Anyone who thinks they aren’t needs to test drive a Chrysler Pacifica with powered stow-and-go seats.

I am hoping that the E-transit is a sleeper hit and I can someday pick it up in a nice passenger configuration.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by johnatwork »

shireboy wrote: post #195

I'm a potential customer on this. I'm in the market for a vehicle, need a pickup and towing (no really). My hesitance still is charge time on trips. If I'm taking my kids camping or something, I really don't want to add one or more hours to the trip. IMO for this sort of thing to really gain acceptance mainstream, we need 5 minute charge times and battery lifetimes on par with ICE engine lifetimes (300-500k miles). I…

I have an EV, and yeah it takes more planning for longer trips, but that hasn't been too hard.

We can always charge _and_ take bathroom/lunch breaks (~1 hour). By the time we get back the car's back up to 80~90%.

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