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YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by Farow »

happybuy wrote: post #84

Part of the problem – as AdGuard concedes in the post – is that Easy List (which AdGuard and many other ad blockers use) is a woefully inefficient rule list with over 50,000 entries. Many of which are out of date, redundant and not optimised for performance. This leads to excessive memory use and performance slowdowns and is one of the reasons why there is a 50,000 rule limit in the Safari Content Blocking API. As a…

> you can deliver a full featured, quality ad blocker with less than 5,000 core rule.

I guess that depends on how far you stray from the top [x] sites of alexa?

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Post by koolhaas »

exikyut wrote: post #185
_Algernon_ wrote: post #92

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That would require delivering ads from first-party servers, right? So third-party ad and tracking networks would die a painful death.

...That's what YouTube does. Ad video content comes from redirector.gvt.com -> xxx.googlevideo.com just like solicited video content. (Yes, I classify advertising as spam.)

But somehow it’s still blockable. I don’t see any ads in YT on Firefox + Ublock.

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Post by alert0 »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #92
defaultname wrote: post #85

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If we go down that road, however, sites can make ads completely indistinguishable from desired content. Same domain, same stream, no easily marked container. All of the imperative adblocking tech in the world, short of queuing everything through a neural engine post render, can block what is possible. So there has always been a detente between adblockers and publishers, presuming the former hit a small enough set of…

That would require delivering ads from first-party servers, right? So third-party ad and tracking networks would die a painful death.

You can also reverse proxy it through your server. I did that once for Google analytics on a demo site.

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Post by koolhaas »

nexuist wrote: post #196
Labo333 wrote: post #64

Unfortunately, the web gets everyday closer to some kind of "interactive TV". Computations are moving to the server side and clients are merely there to get input and display information. An illustration is the very controversial Mighty browser. As a result, programs will shortly become dependent on having an internet connection. Today, people use more Google Docs than Notepad. This removes a lot of freedom because c…

The entire server-first computational model of today is a direct result of the disastrous adoption of NAT, which killed peer to peer applications and from which the P2P market is still recovering from (uPnP was one such [failed] attempt to fix the problem, now WebRTC and its friends STUN/TURN are up next). Google Docs doesn't have to run on Google servers. It could run on any operating system and work from anywhere p…

Your p2p Google Docs example is complicated. What if server applications as a paradigm won because it’s a much simpler approach? Centrally develop and release updates, keeping users all on one system. It’s especially important for network connected apps which want to handle user collaboration. You want everyone on one system, without competing versions.

Not saying it’s best for users, but just smarter and more practical from dev perspective.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by londons_explore »

falcolas wrote: post #164
londons_explore wrote: post #34

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I suspect in the big picture this is not true. The kind of people with disposable income to give for paid subscriptions are far better targets for nearly all adverts, since they are far more likely to buy the premium products that have a far larger and budget, and therefore give the creator more per impression. I don't think YouTube reveals to creators enough information about which audience members generated which r…

You would be wrong. A simple google search revealed the following topical article. https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p... The relevant quote: “... a Red view is on average worth 20x that of a normal ad view.” Another youtuber i follow recently said that this is still true today.

But not all ad views are the same... An ad view from someone likely to subscribe to Red might be worth 20x an ad view from someone not likely to subscribe to Red.

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Post by izacus »

mullingitover wrote: post #201
izacus wrote: post #199

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Why are you constantly ignoring the fact that they also keep paying for all the bandwidth, encoder CPU use and development of playback platforms for any device brand capable of showing a video out there? Try running a hosting platform yourself and you'll quickly see just how crazy expensive bandwidth is. It's just ridiculous to expect that someone will 100% subsidize your video bandwidth for free.

Was YouTube losing money before they made this change? Their monetized content more than covered the bills for the content that wasn't monetized, and that free content their users gave them kept viewers on the site and watching ads. YouTube wasn't running a charity before they made this change, that free content they were given was valuable. They're just hoping that if they squeeze the golden goose harder it will lay…

They're a for-profit business, so again, why do you expect your content to be hosted at a complete loss while you monetize on external channels? Seems a bit entitled to expect corporations to give you things for free because other people pay for it.

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Post by dvcrn »

freediver wrote: post #161
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #108

Removing whatever Ublock Origin needed to exist in Safari is one of the dumbest moves Apple has made. To get most of the battery advantages of Macs you're forced to use Safari. But when it comes down to having to see YouTube ads I'm willing to make the tradeoff and switch to Chrome.

This is one of the main reasons we started working on Orion three years ago. WebKit + uBlock Origin = bliss https://browser.kagi.com

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Post by freediver »

dvcrn wrote: post #217
freediver wrote: post #161

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This is one of the main reasons we started working on Orion three years ago. WebKit + uBlock Origin = bliss https://browser.kagi.com

Your waitinglist link is giving a server error

Thanks. Looks like form is glitching, reload seems to help. Or email me directly to skip the line as courtesy for reporting

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Post by that_guy_iain »

blibble wrote: post #180
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #155

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It's not clear to me what you are asking, but if your question has a definite answer and it relates to Youtube as a business, I can probably help answer. Youtube has been my full-time job for years. About Premium generally, if you can afford it and you are considering it, there is no reason to hesitate. I say that both as a channel owner and as someone who pays for Premium every month. You never see an AdSense ad aga…

the amount matters to me if the creators only get 1c/month from my premium and google get the lion's share I'll continue to block ads and support via patreon/merch instead

I doubt there is a set amount assigned. It would be weird and hard to calculate. User A watched 3 videos so their views are worth 1 dollar, user B watched 300 videos so their view is worth a cent. It’s far more likely that a premium user view is worth 1 cent and a normal user is worth .5 of a cent. So the amount going to creators would depend on how much you viewed (and how long)

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

TedShiller wrote: post #207
rchaud wrote: post #55

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> If I log into YouTube, that requires me to be logged into Google everywhere and I do not want that at all. You can use Firefox Containers to sandbox Google logins. Alternatively, you can use a different browser when accessing Google-owned websites.

If you click on a YouTube link now will the browser know what container to open that in?

Yes, you can configure it in a way that every Youtube link opens in the Youtube container.
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