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Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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Is 21 months not enough time to execute on a strategy?

At such a large company? Not really. You can certainly start execution of a strategy, and she did, but it takes a long time to turn such a big boat and fully realize a strategic vision.

If she was doing so well with this vision (mobile/games/social something) why did she only last 21 months? Which products did she launch?

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I never understood why Yahoo got so wrapped around the axle with the search engine business. I used to use Yahoo a lot to start my web browsing and I liked the fact that it wasn't a search engine. They provided broad categories that you could click on and you could keep drilling down to more specific categories until you found relevant websites. Not always the best way to search the web but it was great when you didn…

Don’t forget Flickr which they pretty much ran into the ground

When YouTube launched and Flickr refused to do video was pretty interesting too. Small decision and might not have worked but who knows...

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Would you say that Uber, Lyft, Spotify, and Tesla are all unsuccessful companies?

Is this really a serious question? The success of a for profit company is defined by “profitability”. Spotify - like Jobs said about DropBox, they are a feature not a product. Most of their revenue goes back to the record labels. Their gross margins are slim Uber - is losing billions and it’s unit economics isn’t good. Lyft - See Uber Tesla - it’s “profits” aren’t from selling cars. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/inv…

It was indeed a serious question. Thank you for your answer.

I disagree with the notion that the success of a for-profit company is solely defined as "profitability". Factors such as growth or value are also often cited as success criteria. I couldn't find literature supporting your statement that profitability is the only measure of company success.

Intuitively, it also seems wrong to me to claim that a children's lemonade stand netting $10 in profit is a more successful business than Tesla.

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Revisionist history... Firefox and loads of niche browsers (MyIE2/Maxthon which I used in the era where IE was sometimes mandatory for site compatibility) had tabbed browsing.

Somehow it feels like Opera invented most of the features contemporary browsers have. I remember using Opera on an off from the late 90s to late 2000s.

Opera was a laboratory for a lot of features that got ripped off by everyone else. Vivaldi now still has quite a bit of that spirit (to the point it might feel bloated at times), but I still miss the old Presto-era Opera.

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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Is this really a serious question? The success of a for profit company is defined by “profitability”. Spotify - like Jobs said about DropBox, they are a feature not a product. Most of their revenue goes back to the record labels. Their gross margins are slim Uber - is losing billions and it’s unit economics isn’t good. Lyft - See Uber Tesla - it’s “profits” aren’t from selling cars. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/inv…

It was indeed a serious question. Thank you for your answer. I disagree with the notion that the success of a for-profit company is solely defined as "profitability". Factors such as growth or value are also often cited as success criteria. I couldn't find literature supporting your statement that profitability is the only measure of company success. Intuitively, it also seems wrong to me to claim that a children's l…

How can a company be sustainable if it continuously loses more money than it brings in?

If I sold a bunch of dollars for 95 cents, my revenue would be astronomical. But does that make it a sound business model?

Which is a better business model? An Indy writer with 3000+ people charging $100 a year for a newsletter (Ben Thompson/Stratechery) or a multi million dollar news organization employing dozens of people with higher revenue losing millions per quarter?

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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The answer to the puzzle is that the rule about fiduciary duty really is only relevant to who the beneficiaries are of financial transactions; it pretty much does not have anything to say about regular business decisions. No doubt some shareholders contacted their lawyers and were gently dissuaded by a legal reality check.

Shareholders did sue, and the threat of the lawsuit meant the board had to devote a lot of energy towards the Microsoft acquisition offer, which was unfortunately why the offer was a win-win for Microsoft.

I checked, and not only did they sue but they reached a settlement, in Delaware of all places, the state least friendly to these kinds of claims.

But the settlement had nothing to do with Yahoo failing to reach an agreement with Microsoft; it was to weaken a poison pill Yahoo had put into place that meant employees would get expensive severances in the event of a takeover. This kind of financial measure is bread-and-butter for corporate fiduciary law, and it doesn't contradict what I said.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/yahoo-settles-shareholder-suit...

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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a list of shockers - streamed install process (download a shim of 300kB which will stream the rest) - obviously the chromeless ui - the dynamic status bar (ok that was the point above) - downloads shown below (as cute as the status bar, actually I miss that thing) - something about tab closing that was more regular (no need to move your mouse) - option / printing lean and fast

You forgot speed - both when launching the app and general responsiveness. Launching chrome was shockingly fast - clicking the launcher and having the browser chrome show immediately without the crutch of a loading window was downright revolutionary. Once loaded, Chrome was really snappy (e.g. switching between tabs).

yes indeed, it's so ingrained that I forgot. And to this day, chromium/chrome is still the fastest (even though it got bloated in other places).. I hate to admit it for I wish firefox could get up to par but everytime I use chrome I sense it; and it was shocking at the time.

Also the update release pace, for better or worse, was also a new kind of fast.

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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FF had tabbed browsing for years before Chrome ever showed up.

And also had single process model which failed completely when you had 50 tabs and Youtube etc. implemented in Flash. Main tab use case being unusable around the time Chrome came out was what motivated me to switch. Also, extensions getting broken at each update.

Yes, the multi-process model was a godsend. Especially since it was around the time multicore processors started becoming more common, especially on laptops. Perfect timing. Terrible javascript not locking up the whole browser was fantastic.

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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It was indeed a serious question. Thank you for your answer. I disagree with the notion that the success of a for-profit company is solely defined as "profitability". Factors such as growth or value are also often cited as success criteria. I couldn't find literature supporting your statement that profitability is the only measure of company success. Intuitively, it also seems wrong to me to claim that a children's l…

How can a company be sustainable if it continuously loses more money than it brings in? If I sold a bunch of dollars for 95 cents, my revenue would be astronomical. But does that make it a sound business model? Which is a better business model? An Indy writer with 3000+ people charging $100 a year for a newsletter (Ben Thompson/Stratechery) or a multi million dollar news organization employing dozens of people with h…

The startup model is all about exponential increase of the user base. For example, Amazon was running at little to zero profit until 2015 [1]. Google and Facebook added ads years after they became extremely popular.

What you're saying makes perfect sense to me though.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/net-in...

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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Shareholders did sue, and the threat of the lawsuit meant the board had to devote a lot of energy towards the Microsoft acquisition offer, which was unfortunately why the offer was a win-win for Microsoft.

I checked, and not only did they sue but they reached a settlement, in Delaware of all places, the state least friendly to these kinds of claims. But the settlement had nothing to do with Yahoo failing to reach an agreement with Microsoft; it was to weaken a poison pill Yahoo had put into place that meant employees would get expensive severances in the event of a takeover. This kind of financial measure is bread-and-…

In fairness, that was the legal claim that they thought had the best chance of succeeding. That option for a poison pill had been in the arsenal pretty much since the company was formed. They sued because Yahoo failed to accept the agreement.
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