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Havana syndrome: NSA officer’s case hints at microwave attacks since 90s

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The fact that reverse thermal gradients are often present in microwave thermal processing of materials is quite well known and can be replicated in food in your home microwave, precisely as nabla9 said, regardless of Mythbusters being able to produce a forward thermal gradient. Microwaves attenuate as they penetrate a resistive or high-permittivity substance, because they deposit some of their energy as they pass thr…

I'm not sure why my sibling is downvoted. See for example page E-17 of this manual > When the radar transceiver is energized, it poses a microwave radiation hazard to personnel. The hazard distance for the Q-47 is much greater than the distance for the Q-37. The hazard distance for troops extends in front of the radar for 217 meters over the radars full 1600-mil area of scan. The radar also poses a hazard for electri…

I think your sibling is [dead]ed (not downvoted) because it is posted by a shadowbanned account (see their comment history of posting a lot of content-free flamebait: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=JarlUlvi&next=166198...) and not enough people have vouched for the comment.

IIRC workers in front of radar antennas noticed chocolate bars melting in their pockets during WWII, and that observation inspired the development of microwave ovens. Not sure how long it took for people to realize that their internal organs were doing something similar to the chocolate bars...

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We're talking about evidence for an attack.

Evidence comes in many forms. There's definitely evidence unless the govt is completely fabricating the existence of these injuries (which is unlikely).

I don't think you're following.

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Evidence comes in many forms. There's definitely evidence unless the govt is completely fabricating the existence of these injuries (which is unlikely).

I don't think you're following.

No, it's perfectly clear.

Evidence comes in many forms. There doesn't appear to be evidence in the form of a recovered weapon or technical recording/logging of an attack as it happened, at least nothing that has been disclosed.

However, the injuries are real and ongoing. It took a long time for consensus agreement that these events were malicious targeting by hostile govts against our diplomats, using remote energy weapons. Even just with the evidence made public, it's the most plausible explanation.

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Evidence comes in many forms. There's definitely evidence unless the govt is completely fabricating the existence of these injuries (which is unlikely).

I don't think you're following.

New news

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/politics/lawmaker-anger-cia-e...

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I don't think you're following.

No, it's perfectly clear. Evidence comes in many forms. There doesn't appear to be evidence in the form of a recovered weapon or technical recording/logging of an attack as it happened, at least nothing that has been disclosed. However, the injuries are real and ongoing. It took a long time for consensus agreement that these events were malicious targeting by hostile govts against our diplomats, using remote energy w…

>Even just with the evidence made public, it's the most plausible explanation.

It's not the most plausible explanation, but it is the most convenient one. It shifts the blame and reinforces the narrative. They don't even have a coherent idea regarding how such a weapon would work in practice, it's pure speculation.

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No, it's perfectly clear. Evidence comes in many forms. There doesn't appear to be evidence in the form of a recovered weapon or technical recording/logging of an attack as it happened, at least nothing that has been disclosed. However, the injuries are real and ongoing. It took a long time for consensus agreement that these events were malicious targeting by hostile govts against our diplomats, using remote energy w…

>Even just with the evidence made public, it's the most plausible explanation. It's not the most plausible explanation, but it is the most convenient one. It shifts the blame and reinforces the narrative. They don't even have a coherent idea regarding how such a weapon would work in practice, it's pure speculation.

No, it's not speculation. US Mil has had functional REW's for a while.

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Microwave transmitters are not that big. 4 kW generator or 100 kW pulse generator fits into a suitcase. What you need is a horn antenna that directs the beam from the distance, across the street for example. It's also possible to have multiple horns around the target. Only in the intersection of the beams the radiation reaches dangerous levels.

Horn antennas have radiation pattern tens of degrees wide, so it's difficult to target one room across the street. I'm not sure intersecting a few of them helps, maybe by a factor of two or so. Back of the envelope math: per Wikipedia: "The gain of horn antennas ranges up to 25 dBi, with 10 - 20 dBi being typical." Let's say you are transmitting 4 kW with a 20 dBi horn, thus having 400 kW EIRP. At a distance of 15 me…

> On the other hand, having a 400 kW EIRP source anywhere nearby should be immediately obvious to a NSA or probably anyone with almost any radio receiver, the interference would be terrible.

This was exactly my thinking, somebody in the local area surely would have noticed this thing was turned on. You're not going to dump 400kW of energy without screwing with something.

> So yes, this indeed exceeds health limits (in .cz: 50 W/m^2 for workers, 10 W/m^2 for civilians) and is kind a lot.

Is that an enormous difference? It's three times health limits - but how long would you need to hold it there to get health problems? My guess is quite a while to fry your noodle?

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Are microwave attacks something that is proven to exist? Can we replicate the effects on mice from some distance? Given the fact they pass through walls, this kind of bounds the frequency range the attacks could exist in... I would expect to see radio interference on nearby devices, etc (even if operating on a different frequency). I wouldn't be entirely surprised if these could be self-manifesting symptoms from peop…

Interestingly I was listening to this podcast yesterday - https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/76hgkmv/havana-synd... Analysis all the possibilities through interview with experts. Hope you find it interesting

Appreciated! Will give it a listen.

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Are microwave attacks something that is proven to exist? Can we replicate the effects on mice from some distance? Given the fact they pass through walls, this kind of bounds the frequency range the attacks could exist in... I would expect to see radio interference on nearby devices, etc (even if operating on a different frequency). I wouldn't be entirely surprised if these could be self-manifesting symptoms from peop…

Wouldn’t it be ironic if this was some secret comm equipment that the US is installing in its own embassies

I wouldn't even be surprised. Like a 500W transceiver using encrypted radio signals by the sides of their bed. The boss says "you better keep an eye on this thing, even in your sleep!" - and all the high ranking officials keep their communications device right next to their heads as they sleep.

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Ok but Hacker News told me it was crickets and poor Russians was being demonized. Then, when I mentioned it again, butthurt users tried to bury it. Now we are back at it again?

Don't complain about reactions from one set of users in a new thread. "Butthurt" isn't a way to refer to other people here, either. This isn't reddit. Finally, yes, multiple discussions about a singular topic occur on this site regularly.

I am not complaining, I am educating you on the facts. Don't act butthurt.
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