Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

Post by goodcjw2 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 7:31 AM UTC

calderwoodra wrote: post #128

goodcjw2 wrote: post #104

[DISCLAMER: I used to work at Google in general, but not at Google Cloud] I'm not sure whether this has been discussed here before, but I'd love to take this forum to share an angle from the tech side of things: IMO, Google is _cursed_ to keep deprecating its products and services. It's cursed by Google's famous choice of mono-repo tech stack. It makes all the sense and has all the benefits. But at a cost: we had to…

I think this is a little inaccurate. Google's monorepo does have branching but it is a second class citizen with minimal support that most engineers aren't aware of unless you've carried a product through many releases. That being said, every release can stand on its own and be iteratively changed without taking on changes from the rest of the company. The highest possibilities for breakages to be introduced are at b…

Post by mettamage » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 8:26 AM UTC

chrisweekly wrote: post #176

jrockway wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "you must make something new to get promoted" was a common meme (literally) at Google, but I never saw that myself. I got promoted, and I sat on promotion committees, and it didn't seem that important. I did sort of start a new project to get from 4 to 5 (rather a prototype was handed to me by my more senior team members), but it was clear to me that the path to 6 was not starting a new project -- it was increasi…

"The biggest problem I found with promotions is that people wanted one because they thought they were doing their current job well. That isn't promotion, that's calibration, and doing well in calibration certainly opens up good raise / bonus options. Promotion is something different -- it's interviewing for a brand new job, by proving you're already doing that job. Whether or not that's fair is debatable, but the mod…

Post by itsyaboi » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 8:43 AM UTC

obeche wrote: post #210

latch wrote: post #20

I'm one of those "you'll get my baremetal and systemd out of my dead cold hands", kind of guy. But I have reasonable exposure to both AWS and GC and I can say that, by far, Google Cloud is easier to reason about. As a consequence, it's much harder to misconfigure. The 2 large AWS deploys I've seen have, at best, had billing issues no one really understood (incl AWS), and at worse, security issues. Complaining that ma…

Google beats AWS; as AWS does not let you build truly isolated components. Unlike Google, who has projects.

Post by spacemanmatt » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:05 AM UTC

sleepydog wrote: post #136

I've been in GCP support for over 4 years. My opinions are my own. I try to stay as impartial as I can about my employer. I know there are a lot of valid criticisms to be made about GCP. As one of the people often bearing the brunt of the fallout whenever there is a painful outage or deprecation, I share some of them. But it never gets easy to read posts like this. This one appears to be a collection of old hacker ne…

Post by yunohn » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 10:56 AM UTC

chrisweekly wrote: post #176

jrockway wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "you must make something new to get promoted" was a common meme (literally) at Google, but I never saw that myself. I got promoted, and I sat on promotion committees, and it didn't seem that important. I did sort of start a new project to get from 4 to 5 (rather a prototype was handed to me by my more senior team members), but it was clear to me that the path to 6 was not starting a new project -- it was increasi…

"The biggest problem I found with promotions is that people wanted one because they thought they were doing their current job well. That isn't promotion, that's calibration, and doing well in calibration certainly opens up good raise / bonus options. Promotion is something different -- it's interviewing for a brand new job, by proving you're already doing that job. Whether or not that's fair is debatable, but the mod…