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Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by neogodless » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:44 PM UTC

rkangel wrote: post #7

From " http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/ " which is one up the chain: > A little less contrast WHY. WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS. To give this person credit they have at least chosen some sensible values, rather than gone with something that was just about enough on an expensive graphic designer high-contrast monitor and then not tested it on anything else. Leaving the rest of us squinting to try and read text or manua…

I was a little confused when I clicked through, but then I remembered I installed the Firefox add-on "Font Contrast" which has absolutely vital over the past several years, with so many web site designers who think `#666666` text looks good against a `#CCCCCC` background!

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by Eszik » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

berniemadoff69 wrote: post #195

coldtea wrote: post #152

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> >I want to hecking scream. Overreacting much? > The point of the original website in this chain was not that you couldn't do media queries, or that all of your designs had to be unstyled. It was a gosh-darned satire that showed that even if you did literally nothing, your website would still be responsive and readable and load fast. The fact that it did nothing, that it was just a completely unstyled HTML page was…

'a perfecter motherfucking site' will 'improve' this site adding 10 more tiny CSS lines 'the most perfectest motherfucking site' will improve that site by adding just 6 teeny tiny more CSS lines and maybe like the most little tiny bit of javascript. 'the absolute final most perfectest motherfucking site'.. will improve THAT site, and the feature creep goes on. they're all built off of the concept of the original, so…

I mean, it might not offer any improvement for you, but it certainly does for someone who uses a screen reader that doesn't default to English.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by neogodless » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

lxe wrote: post #74

I built an antithesis to this: https://lxe.github.io/everywebsite/

Please add some content so that I can start scrolling through it, and halfway into the content, have most of it blocked by a new modal!

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

lhorie wrote: post #201

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #197

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If the font size is different, em width adapts to that, px width doesn't. Text occupies space in pixels, but not vice versa.

Yes I'm aware of that. But regardless of whether you mean this in the sense of adapting to user stylesheets or the idea that disparate elements' font sizes should relate to each other, they both strike me as maintainability trade-offs that can reasonably go either way. An elitist tone seems a bit unnecessary in that context.

The font size can change due to zoom, which is a must, because 16px is too small text and unreadable.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #192

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #177

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> Do you like 400 nits of #ffffff right into your eyeballs? If you don't like what your display does, tweak its settings to do what you like.

I like what my display does: it displays colors perfectly accurately, and I've got 3 monitors, all color profiled, and all with perfectly matching colors as result. Colors are standardized and have a very specific meaning. I just dislike the colors these website authors have chosen, often without knowing what they're choosing, as their monitors often distort the colors and show something wrong. None of this can be so…

Then you like 400 nits of #ffffff right into your eyeballs?

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by kuschku » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:24 PM UTC

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #215

kuschku wrote: post #192

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I like what my display does: it displays colors perfectly accurately, and I've got 3 monitors, all color profiled, and all with perfectly matching colors as result. Colors are standardized and have a very specific meaning. I just dislike the colors these website authors have chosen, often without knowing what they're choosing, as their monitors often distort the colors and show something wrong. None of this can be so…

Then you like 400 nits of #ffffff right into your eyeballs?

I like the brightest parts of movies, games and images being 400 nits, yes.

And I don't like reconfiguring my display for every different kind of content.

What I don't like is websites using #ffffff

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by lhorie » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:25 PM UTC

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #214

lhorie wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I'm aware of that. But regardless of whether you mean this in the sense of adapting to user stylesheets or the idea that disparate elements' font sizes should relate to each other, they both strike me as maintainability trade-offs that can reasonably go either way. An elitist tone seems a bit unnecessary in that context.

The font size can change due to zoom, which is a must, because 16px is too small text and unreadable.

cmd+"+" has always worked regardless of what unit is used, though?

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #161

jrockway wrote: post #128

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I have stopped waiting for website authors to figure out how to make a dark theme. I just have my user agent do it with https://darkreader.org/ Like ad blockers, sometimes you have to adjust it, but it usually Just Works. The main innovation from this is that my display has much improved contrast, because I can set the brightness for text on a black background, instead of setting the brightness for an entire screen o…

with dark-reader you still have the problem of getting blinded at night for the first second or so until the DOM finished parsing. There were some workarounds with userChrome.css userContent.css that solved this for a while, but they broke in recent builds so I'm back to feeling like a deer staring at the headlights every time a new tab opens on a page. I'm not 100% certain that this should be forced by the browser a…

If rendering was server's concern, you would be served jpegs, not html.

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by peter_retief » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

throwaway823882 wrote: post #178

peter_retief wrote: post #87

Markdown is the way to go most of the time.

Markdown is okay for a README, but it's pretty sucky if you want to make a document easier to read. It's the .ini file of text markup.

I was thinking more of this https://vitepress.vuejs.org/

Re: Perfect Motherfucking Website

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 7:45 PM UTC

danShumway wrote: post #198

fctorial wrote: post #191

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The problem is that people do build sites that look like the first website: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/multiboot...

Fair, but using GNU's work as an example almost feels like cheating in a weird way ;). GNU is not building a hard-core minimalist website, they do include CSS on their page -- in fact they include more of it than this website does. So the problem isn't that GNU is too minimal or that they've sworn off of CSS, the problem is that modern GNU increasingly doesn't seem to know how to design anything at all when it comes…

GNU docs have good design in accordance with W3C best practices: rendering is user agent's job, and if it doesn't do the job per your preference, you change the user agent to the one that does or submit an RFE to your user agent vendor to support your preference.