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DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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Good question; one person is annoyed by this endlessly a few offices down from me. It's hard to make sure that things are handled consistently sometimes, but if you use google.com/ncr or the "Google.com in English" link at the bottom of the home page, that should help. The "Language tools" link to the right of the search box should also let you set a cookie with your language preference.

I appreciate that you went and asked someone for the clarification that this issue is about the preference being set in a cookie and not in user settings, but this doesn't solve the problem for many of us. For YEARS, on a weekly and sometimes daily basis, always logged-in, always with preferences set to english, it is infuriating to routinely end up receiving results that conflict with your explicit language settings…

Exactly, and it's cross-device, cross-service. What about browser built-in search? Or mobile? Or not wanting cookies or having to log in? I see my browser having a preferred language setting...

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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It's a shame how Google completely disregards your HTTP Accept-Language header. If they didn't, this would be much less of a problem.

I think in the past we saw a lot of people with their Accept-Language header set wrong, which is why we haven't used it. But we've been having a good discussion internally about the "my language won't stick" issues raised on this thread.

How practical would it be to initially trust Accept-Language but also prominently display a link to change to the language detected through IP geolocation (with an easy way to hide/decline the link)?

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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I regularly see this without clearing cookies, so yes, I would consider this a bug. There seems to be no discernible pattern as to why it works in one session, suspend laptop, go somewhere else and it stops working. Or it'll work twice in a row and when I return location a (both in the same foreign country), it stops working.

Interesting. HN isn't ideal for debugging, but if you wanted to send cookies or IP addresses (e.g. via Twitter), I could see if someone could look into it.

Cant easily do this as i am currently in country. Can you shoot me a contact email (mine is HN username @ gmail) and I can send you something when I'm on the road again and can send you cookies/IP

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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I've been using DDG exclusively for a little while. Half the time the results are identical to Google. The other half is usually a collection of links from sites I would have searched on to research the topic.

http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-...

http://duckduckgo.com/faq.html#results

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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Interesting. HN isn't ideal for debugging, but if you wanted to send cookies or IP addresses (e.g. via Twitter), I could see if someone could look into it.

Use: http://www.google.com/ncr to disable. NCR=no country redirect. I've set this as my homepage and not had any issues

There does not seem to be a way to use Google SSL + NCR. E.g.

https://encrypted.google.com/ncr/search?q=test&qscrl=1

does not seem to be a valid option. Is there a way to pass NCR in a param like ncr=1? Or the fact that Google SSL is used implies use of NCR?

EDIT: It looks like &ncr=1 does work but I'm not sure if this is equivalent to no country redirect.

Right now, this is what I have set up (which also disables personalization)

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=test&qscrl=1&n...

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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If I had to tackle the notion of over-personalization in ~5 minutes, I'd say: - If someone prefers to search Google without personalization, add "&pws=0" (the "pws" stands for "personalized web search") to the end of the Google search url to turn it off, or use the incognito version of Chrome. Personalization tends to be a nice relevance improvement overall, but it doesn't trigger that much--when it launched, the imp…

Here is a slightly different question, how do you get "no country redirect" to stick reliably? I cant begin to describe how annoying it is that I am presented with a different language when travelling to a different country. All I ever want is Google in English but it keeps going back to a localized search regardless of the many times that I choose "google in english"

I reported this localization problem years ago. The best way is to take language from browser headers, like a lot of other sites do.

For some reason responsible googlers were ignoring my proposal.

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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It's not significant. In the world of search engines, you need to be the #1 or #2 player to earn major revenue. People aren't gonna wanna waste any time/energy advertising on your platform if you're getting just a handful of searches per month for say... mp3 players or cellphones. DDG is just betting on an acquisition, but it's just a wrapper around the Yahoo BOSS API.

Nothing starts at #1. Expecting DDG to displace an oligopoly built over a decade and a half in a year or two of existence is asking too much of anyone.

DDG has been around for more than a year or two...

Re: DuckDuckGo: Escape your search engine filter bubble

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"But aren't you a part of the relevance equation? The ideal results for a search like [bitcoin crash] should be different for a Japanese-speaking searcher in Tokyo vs. a German-speaking searcher in Munich vs. a bitcoin expert vs. a programmer trying to diagnose why compiling bitcoin is crashing vs. my Mom who has never heard of bitcoin before, right?" Maybe, but that is not the point. Besides, you are mixing localiza…

Of course Google can't read minds, that does not mean they should ignore information that they have when deciding which results to show or what order to show them in. Sufficient data to provide a better filter for a given user is not the same as mind reading. You are absolutely right that more criteria should be used if a user is interested in better results, but I fail to see why a deterministic base case is superio…

http://www.google.com/ncr to disable. NCR=no country redirect.

Works fine, but how do I return to country redirect? Am in Germany, used it for some global searches, now want my localized (German ) searches back. Must be missing something obvious here, please help, thanks!

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