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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Post by 8note »

nphardorworse wrote: post #191

What a BS article. How about we give advice and feedback that is... not sexist? Crazy idea, right?! If you say things that are not sexist nobody will accuse you of sexism. Simple as that. And if you don't know what is and what is not sexist then most likely you are sexist. Then go and educate yourself on the topic, and don't waste time writing excuses on online forums.

The distinction is that there are things, specifically criticism, that can be interpreted as sexism independently of whether it is based on the sex of the criticised.

In the listed example, it's sexist to not suggest that the man becomes CEO instead of the current woman CEO

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Post by zepto »

flir wrote: post #174
zepto wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does someone need to have a solution in order for their observation of a problem to be considered valid? Maybe the problem is real but they just don’t have as solution?

I noticed it happened a lot on MeFi when I was active there. Vast reams of text about how terrible X is, but ask what we should do about it and... crickets. Yes, the observation's valid, but... I don't know. When the conversation keeps happening the same way, over may topics, you have to figure there's something deeper going on.

There’s obviously something deeper going on.

Can you say what you think it is?

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Post by BonoboIO »

In our middle european country there was the initiative to end the discrimination to not employ people based on various markers race, skin color, gender, sex, age, education history (maybe switiching industries in your fourties) ...

If the potential employer rejected your job application with a reason you could fight him in court for discrimination and get compensation even if the employer.

Great intention, but it backfired ... after some companies got sued for legitimate and illegitimate reasons NOBODY answers with a reason why your application was not considered. They maybe hint what was wrong or not ideal.

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

jxidjhdhdhdhfhf wrote: post #17

This is kind of the end result we're heading for, where you can only talk candidly with people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy. The shitty part is that I'm pretty sure 99% of people are reasonable human beings but the media has to make it seem like that isn't the case so the risk equation changes. Similar to how kids used to roam around the neighborhood but now it's deemed too risky becaus…

I believe this phenomenon is more like overshoot in an underdamped system than being the end result. Rapid changes always lead to overshoot.

I also think the amount of overshoot is proportional to the amount of sexism that was present in a society thirty years ago. I believe Northern Europe has been trending slowly towards gender equality since the 90s, and thus the amount of overshoot here is much less from the recent rapid changes like #meetoo.

Also our kids roam around the neighbourhood freely. We're thinking of giving our 9-year-old a cellphone soon, for now she just has an analog watch and we agree on what time she has to be home by.

If you look at statistics, the rate of women murdered per capita, and the rate of women who experience sexualized violence per capita, are around 5x higher in the US than in Northern Europe. The murder rate here for children (excluding by their own parents) is below 1 per million children per year.

We're definitely not perfect, we have a long way to go still, but we are starting from a more equal place if you look at the status pre-2017.

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Post by tlogan »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #75

>I don’t think most female founders even realize that they’re getting different advice than their male counterparts. Silicon Valley has always run on candor, but it’s being stifled at the moment, and no one is noticing that we are the collateral damage. Imagine what it's like being the intended target and not just "collateral damage". It's not a problem that men are nervous to be candid but it's a problem that women…

I know a couple of female founders (including my wife). The biggest problem is that female might run into a creep and that makes very very stressful experience. For me... it is easy. First creeps do not want to meet me (I’m fat, older guy, short,..), and if I do meet somebody who is giving me creeps - my experience is not stressful at all.

Btw, I still have not met a female VC: after 22 years in SV.

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Post by tryonenow »

Exactly as intended. Beneath the surface, this "social justice" movement is nothing but a power grab, primarily from those who could not attain such power by merit. All of society suffers when decisions are made according to gender or race rather than ability.

This is an organized, quasi-religious campaign of oppression, self-justified by perceived oppression. The key word here is perceived - it is trivial to "find" oppression (or racism, or sexism, or ableism, etc) any time two people from different groups interact, especially in a professional environment where criticism is critical to success.

Tyranny by the minority.

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Post by dang »

worker767424 wrote: post #125

Lots on green usernames in this thread.

Some are trolls and/or flamewar-stokers while others are substantive contributors. That's a problem with any forum with a low barrier to entry. Users can help by flagging the trollish and flamewar posts. To flag a comment, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click the 'flag' link at the top. (There's a small karma threshold before flag links appear.)

We sometimes close threads to new accounts when the situation is overwhelming, but I wouldn't want to do that in a case like this. Generally on HN, we try to err on the side of privileging positive contributions rather than filtering out negative ones, and we rely on community moderation and moderator moderation to try to dampen the latter. It only works partially, but it's better than punishing the positive contributors, and definitely better than being a closed community.

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Post by hnfong »

baby wrote: post #160

There's an extreme right, and there's an extreme left. Right now the whole right is an extreme right, whereas the left is divided between more moderate and cancel culture. Apparently tucker said that the right would go into full fascist mode because of BLM/antifa (lol), I'm wondering if the left is going full woke because of the right going fascist. People are being triggered by the other side, and becoming extremist…

> whereas the left is divided between more moderate and cancel culture. Apparently tucker said that the right would go into full fascist mode

What you described might just be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the moderate right routinely gets bundled with the far right extremists (and often anti-vac, conspiracy theory and whatever) for voicing out their right leaning (but moderate) opinions, then they might just choose to censor themselves instead.

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Post by yarcob »

idyio wrote: post #156
jxidjhdhdhdhfhf wrote: post #17

This is kind of the end result we're heading for, where you can only talk candidly with people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy. The shitty part is that I'm pretty sure 99% of people are reasonable human beings but the media has to make it seem like that isn't the case so the risk equation changes. Similar to how kids used to roam around the neighborhood but now it's deemed too risky becaus…

> people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy This supposed hierarchy of oppression, based on identity characteristics such as race, gender and sexuality, really is the biggest scam going. Almost all of the oppression we see around us can be explained by wealth disparities, corruption, and abuse of power. Yet, identarians insist on shoehorning everything into their flawed worldview. The Black L…

> Almost all of the oppression we see around us can be explained by wealth disparities

I recently talked to a mom who visited her adult foster daughter with a different skin tone. Her daughter reminded her to make sure she doesn't forget her ID in the hotel.

The mom was confused. They were just going to take a walk in Munich. Why would she need an ID? She never has an ID on her when she goes for a walk.

The daughter said, because the police, they stop you and ask to see your ID!

Mom couldn't believe it that the police was so different in Munich. Then it dawned on her. Foster daughter had brown skin, so she was randomly stopped by police and asked for ID because she looks like an immigrant.

Mom was white and has never ever been stopped by police before.

The police absolutely treat people different because of race.

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Post by arnath »

I can't be the only one who thinks this is bullshit, right? The scenario described in the article isn't a dilemma unless the gender of the CEO is part of your reason. If it's not, you will have some rational explanation and should be able to point to your history of not being a sexist asshole.
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