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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Post by scotty79 »

azangru wrote: post #168
scotty79 wrote: post #99

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> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

> splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years ... is way more resilient system. I am not so sure of that. Doesn't this lead to what some call the polarization of the public? Time will tell how this one plays out.

The polarisation is actually a good thing. As long as it's about stuff that doesn't matter for the normal economic activity. If they can still work with each other and live in mixed communities it's all fine.

They can always hope that their side will be on top in few years and restrain themselves. Such polarisation is no more dangerous than polarisation around sports teams.

And channeling and managing people's hatered is very important for stability. Otherwise it could be directed towards system of power as a whole, or the rich, or some ethnic group.

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Post by brundolf »

praptak wrote: post #176
brundolf wrote: post #95

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> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.

> We can only hope that will be its downfall. Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse.

There are many different definitions of "downfall". Nobody's suggesting the US ride in and dethrone the CCP, leaving a power vacuum in its wake. There are several reasons that would (and should) never happen.

All I'm suggesting is that there is rot at the heart of the CCP, which over time could hopefully eat away at their effectiveness, favorability, and eventually their power over Chinese society. Even then I'm not holding my breath, but it's a nice thought.

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Post by scotty79 »

bosswipe wrote: post #157
scotty79 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

> while still colectively controlling everything of value If this post is meant as a whataboutist critique of US democracy then this line gives it away as over the top conspiracy theory. Who exactly is controlling everything of value in this theory?

> Who exactly is controlling everything of value in this theory?

In US? Same as everywhere. Network of people who make the laws and people who amass capital thanks to those laws.

It wasn't meant as whataboutism or as a critique of US. It was meant as praise of US and potential direction China should evolve towards to protect their rulers with less fragility.

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Post by lovelyviking »

osynavets wrote: post #193

Reminds me about another film with the same theme: winter on fire. Film about protests in my own country Ukraine. Horrible events

Winter on Fire | 'Filming on the Front Lines' Featurette | Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m76G2K19X8

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Post by smilekzs »

dang wrote: post #195
chinathrow1029 wrote: post #127

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Also, here’s a video of The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ride in Shanghai Disneyland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=338iWj670N4

Single-purpose accounts aren't allowed on HN and nationalistic flamewar isn't welcome either. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

The video posted looks like a normal tour of Disneyland to me...

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Post by openasocket »

Twaway45609 wrote: post #189
jonathannat wrote: post #56

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Difference: US riot - citizens who enjoy democratic freedom protested against republic/democratic government. protest got violent, government handled it. Hong Kong riot - citizens who enjoy(ed) democratic freedom protested against encroaching dictatorship. protest was peaceful, but then turned violent when police faking as protestors started violence. protest got violent, government handled it (openly and in secret).…

I think the main difference is that the chinese would not dare to dock their aircraft carrier in new york, while the US did so to provoke the chinese communust party in hong kong. This is all about american interests and destabilizing china ir other countries. I wonder what will happen in q few years. Will americans accept that another super power will dictate them what to do like the US currently does to their allie…

> I think the main difference is that the chinese would not dare to dock their aircraft carrier in new york, while the US did so to provoke the chinese communust party in hong kong.

So it's the US's fault that China tried to impose an extradition law in HK? Because the USN ... had a port visit in Hong Kong? You know China approved that port visit, right?

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Post by jbay808 »

powerapple wrote: post #41
jbay808 wrote: post #29

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> They "almost" instated it shortly before the handover, but didn't succeed for some reason. Extremely amusing indeed. Perhaps because China declared that they'd invade if HK was allowed to self-govern? https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/china-began-pu... "documents recently released by the National Archives in Britain suggest that beginning in the 1950s, the colonial governors who ran Hong Kong repeatedly…

Grantham convinced London to scrap all plans for political reform on the basis that it did not "interest the British electorate". Later, when confronted by the Hong Kong public, he blamed London.[12] All major democratic reforms for Hong Kong were dropped by British Cabinet decision. In October 1952, the British Colonial Secretary Oliver Lyttelton announced that the time was "inopportune for...constitutional changes…

Those numbers in brackets look like citations.[12, 16] What are you citing?

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Post by praptak »

tablespoon wrote: post #184
praptak wrote: post #176

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> We can only hope that will be its downfall. Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse.

> Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse. I'm not so sure about that. Iraq has an unstable ethnic configuration that the US was in the position to preserve for dubious geopolitical reasons. I…

You may get a Soviet Union's relatively peaceful breakup if you follow Soviet Union's relatively gradual transition from power. It's not a given, even the Soviets had their 1991 coup attempt.

Also, it's not like Soviet Union's breakup didn't leave any problems. Post-breakup Russia has a track record of military conflicts - Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. Post-breakup Belarus fell back to dictatorship.

I don't think we have a reliable recipe for low-harm transitioning away from authoritarian regimes.

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Post by hkmaxpro »

dumb1224 wrote: post #162
gonehome wrote: post #116

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I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....

It was the most censored Weibo post in 2015, according to Dr. Fu Kingwa, who ran the Weiboscope censorship tracker out of Hong Kong University’s Journalism and Media Studies Centre:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/31/china-top-5-censored-po...

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

runarberg wrote: post #185
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #165

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Why are there no US political parties advocating for the dissolution of the US?

Well there is the Aloha ʻĀina Party that seeks Hawaiian sovereignty, Several Cascadian independence movements that seek to seceded the Cascadian bioregion from the US. There is the Second Vermont Republic. Puerto Rico has a few parties advocating for independence, as are parties that advocate for Samoan unification. I’m less familiar with the federal level, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find the dissolution of the U…

So there are. That's cool.

There seems to be a selfish trend where someone with a legitimate though perhaps unpopular opinion expects to be given more consideration than others. Complains that the game is rigged since their unpopular opinion is not allowed to jump the line and be given immediate attention.

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