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Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by hef19898 »

bobcostas55 wrote: post #192
mns wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we've been in a 5 month lockdown already in Germany, all of it to stop the spread of the virus with huge costs to the country, and now the comment that I replied to is saying that "I think this is part of political cover for the failing". Meaning that Germany and the EU, which have been doing everything that they can to stop this, are now somehow involved in a political cover to get some sort of revenge on the UK/…

>which have been doing everything that they can to stop this Except, you know, order enough vaccines for their population. Other than that though, everything that they can!

Well, as of early January the EU ordered almost twice as many doses as needed. They, and by that I mean the member states more than the EU, screwed up the distribution and vaccination campaigns.

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Post by wdb »

Zenst wrote: post #149
Nursie wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of friends of mine have spent a couple of days pretty whacked by it. Tiredness and a few headaches mostly. Make sure to get plenty of water and rest :)

Get them to look at https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ and report their side effects. That's the UK system for reporting side effects in medications of any form. Also weekly report of the covid-19 vaccine side effects here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid... Had my jab 3 hours ago, and enjoying a nice honey dew pomelo as I type thinking, fruit just don't get any better than this.

I didn't know that existed. Wondering if it also lists the side effects I experienced of medication when hospitalised at a NHS hospital?

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by ArkanExplorer »

sradman wrote: post #206
fab1an wrote: post #133

Looks like this may be a bit more relevant than many of the snarky comments would suggest - the relevant German authority on this said that they have seen a unexpected increase in a specific type of blood clotting issue that usually is very rare: https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/hp-meldungen/2021/210315-voru...

> The EMA has said that as of March 10, a total of 30 cases of blood clotting had been reported among close to 5 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca shot in the European Economic Area, which links 30 European countries. "The decision today is purely precautionary..." given this level of signal. We don't have details on the age groups involved and the normal rates expected but I can hazard a Fermi Estimate…

Surely more people will die from COVID than from blood clotting, due to this delay?

Or perhaps not, given that 2020 deaths in Germany were 985,145, only 4.85% higher than 2019, and only 3.2% higher than 2018 (and so basically in line with what we would expect from an aging society).

https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoel...

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by patrickmcnamara »

est31 wrote: post #198
fab1an wrote: post #133

Looks like this may be a bit more relevant than many of the snarky comments would suggest - the relevant German authority on this said that they have seen a unexpected increase in a specific type of blood clotting issue that usually is very rare: https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/hp-meldungen/2021/210315-voru...

Is that the real reason? In times of crisis one must be wary of propaganda. AstraZeneca has recently announced they'd deliver even less to the EU because of Italy's interception of the delivery headed to Australia [0]... Europe having to halt the vaccinations with AstraZeneca due to none being in stock makes europe lose far more face than halting them because of quality concerns... [0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/a…

Where does it say that AstraZeneca are delivering less because of Italy's interception of vaccines?

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Post by draw_down »

fab1an wrote: post #133

Looks like this may be a bit more relevant than many of the snarky comments would suggest - the relevant German authority on this said that they have seen a unexpected increase in a specific type of blood clotting issue that usually is very rare: https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/hp-meldungen/2021/210315-voru...

Seems reasonable that a covid vaccine (which were developed much more rapidly than any vaccines before) could have problems. But to say so is painted as "anti-vaxxer" talk, conspiracy theory, you hate public health, you're killing grandma, etc.

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Post by [deleted] »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #214
sradman wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The EMA has said that as of March 10, a total of 30 cases of blood clotting had been reported among close to 5 million people vaccinated with the AstraZeneca shot in the European Economic Area, which links 30 European countries. "The decision today is purely precautionary..." given this level of signal. We don't have details on the age groups involved and the normal rates expected but I can hazard a Fermi Estimate…

Surely more people will die from COVID than from blood clotting, due to this delay? Or perhaps not, given that 2020 deaths in Germany were 985,145, only 4.85% higher than 2019, and only 3.2% higher than 2018 (and so basically in line with what we would expect from an aging society). https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoel...

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by _ph_ »

chrisseaton wrote: post #98
fab1an wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany has a "homemade" vaccine (BioNTech), in fact it was the first reliable vaccine on the market, and pioneering an entirely new medical paradigm at it, but the EC botched the process of acquiring it.

How can you botch acquiring something being developed and made in own country?

Mainly, by signing the orders to late and to to few doses. Which held back extension of the production capacities. In the meantime, a new production site in Germany went operational (Marburg) and increased the output of BioNTech. In Q3 there is probably enough production to supply Germany, but that means at least one more quarter where people and businesses die.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by happyconcepts »

complex1314 wrote: post #63
giantandroids wrote: post #8

You do have to wonder if some of this is politically driven. Germany are losing hundreds of life's a day, while in the meantime the UK has administrated 23 million doses (not sure the ratio of those that were AstraZeneca) and not recorded a single fatality or adverse reaction and are seeing infection rates / deaths drop. I can understand caution under normal circumstances, but nothing is normal right now.

In Norway at least, where we have high compliance and relatively few corona deaths, one important point is to keep public trust in the authorities. The worst case scenario would be loss of trust in the vaccine and loss of trust in the health authorities. Then people would not get vaccinated even if the authorities were recommending it. Also the symptoms are bizarre, the deaths and hospitalizations from blod clot have…

Wow. Then we should look more closely at the glymphatic system no?

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Post by libertine »

the-dude wrote: post #79

The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. This has influenced public opinion in NL quite a bit ( in DE too I suspect ). I can read in the local comment sections that people want to decline the AZ vaccine as they don't trust it , and it is only 60% effective . They would rather have Pfizer, even Sputnik or rather no vacination at all than AZ. These…

It's funny because on the other way around it seems like the British Government did precisely the opposite by selling this vaccine as a prime example of British superiority and why "Brexit makes sense".

You're criticizing EU commission for transparently expose the shortcomings of this private company, but you seem to forget what this wave of what apparently are thousands of "internet specialists" that know better then independent regulator bodies for medicines.

Yes, this isn't EMA (that British propaganda painted as a slow and incompetent agency) - it's each country own regulator that have been responsible for the safety of millions of citizens, and they have been doing a pretty good job for many, many years.

This isn't a joint operation. It's scientists expressing their concern about these cases which are anything but normal.

Or now, every single EU country regulator (including Norway) are all incompetent, including the doctors who reported these cases and are following closely their development? They're all in this conspiracy to put down AZ?

I mean people rightfully criticize anti-vaxxers, but trust me, this bullshit attitude is just the same as the anti-vaxxers. It's blind fanaticism towards a vaccine, that even science should be disregarded, exactly the extreme opposite of anti-vaxxes.

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