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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by twobitshifter »

thepasswordis wrote: post #19
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

You're absolutely correct. Consider: your HR department is left leaning, your boss is probably left leaning, your teachers are left leaning, the government is left leaning. How on earth could the "counter culture" be the hegemonic culture of the most powerful billionaires on earth, and the people who have the most power over the most people in their daily lives (HR departments for adults, school administrators for ch…

The left can lean much further. Someone advocating for socialist and welfare policies or even communism or anarchy would run afoul of HR departments and the powerful billionaires.

Corporations pay lip service to the left but they don’t really follow through. There’s no divestment from China, fossil fuels, or even Diversity and Inclusion that reaches the board level.

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Post by cambalache »

monocasa wrote: post #161
TimedToasts wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is the least countercultural site I can imagine. It's still Top 10 in sites visited, is it not? It's the very zeitgeist of the times. Those examples weaken an otherwise good article.

Reddit is a meta site. The default subs are of course the default consensus, but you can find subs of nearly every other position under the sun.

No. Most "radical" subs will be suppressed or otherwise banned by selectively enforcing the rules. For every rule broken in r/thedonald or r/chapotraphouse you could find dozens of similar examples in r/news and r/politics.

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Post by lmarcos »

ghgdynb1 wrote: post #44
everdrive wrote: post #6

Still reading the article, but this is an interesting blurb if nothing else: "To be truly countercultural today, in a time of tech hegemony, one has to, above all, betray the platform, which may come in the form of betraying or divesting from your public online self." I hadn't thought of boycotting much of popular online space as being counter-cultural. It's an interesting thought.

How about exit from the platforms while continuing to build on the Internet? balajis.com vs twitter.com/balajis

I've been thinking exactly that. The problem is that the average internet user would have to: - buy a domain name (and pay for it every year) - rent hosting (cheapest provider is probably DO at 5$/month) - setup your machine so that it's secure enough it doesn't end up hacked - setup whatever is needed to publish content in your machine (could be as simple as HTML, but then the average internet user doesn't know HTML. It could be wordpress... But then you have to install it by yourself)

It's a lot of hassle for the average internet user. The worst case scenario: you end up paying ~70$/year for something you have no idea how to setup property. Beast case scenario: some startup takes over the hassle for you for "only" 50$/year... But that's not that different from Facebook (except that you would "own" a domain name and a host you have no idea how to "own").

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Post by Noos »

klyrs wrote: post #32
mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

LARPing with boffer swords is counterculture. Kink is counterculture. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is counterculture. You don't need to brandish a tiki torch to be sufficiently different -- but that's the loudest counterculture, and they're getting all the attention. I know of an ancient forum related to a counterculture intentionally not listed here, and it's ticking along just fine, thankyouverymuch. Of c…

It's hard to say things like kink or spaghetti monster are counter culture when they were routinely held by people in high positions of power in the culture and used to destroy or attack the impediments to capitalism. Atheism is capitalism's best friend, because it completely defangs any spiritual argument against consumerism and productivity; kink is capitalism's best friend because it opens up many lucrative and well paying methods to commodify sex itself.

Ironically, both are disliked some because of that. The nofap rose as a real counterculture to commodified kink and porn; and the "i love fucking science" type of reddit atheist the FSM people were at heart are mocked.

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Post by JacobSuperslav »

imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

how is youtube counterculture?

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Post by cbozeman »

airhead969 wrote: post #126
keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

> LinkedOut

That's the one that made me laugh out loud.

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Post by JacobSuperslav »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #193

Counterculture completely aligns with corporate America now, it’s fascinating. The punk manifesto could be written by McDonalds.

no it doesn't. true counterculture means these corporations would be dead. they are just choosing few parts that make for nice ads.

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Post by bawolff »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #144
imaginationra wrote: post #90

I run an independent film/animation/music/interactive studio- I have never owned any mobile phone and don't use any social media except for youtube. Our studio is not on any social media platforms. We are the counterculture. Our studio has released torrents of media over the past 15 years that I would classify as counterculture but you would never know because we aren't hustling on Zuckerbergian platforms or playing…

> I have never owned any mobile phone Eschewing a mobile phone has been pretty counterculture these recent years, but I think we are close to a point where it will no longer be sustainable, at least for anyone wanting to cross borders – or depending on the country, even enter a restaurant or concert. Several governments have announced that their vaccine passports will exist as mobile phone apps, because paper certifi…

I dont get why paper docs are still forgeable in this day and age.

Just put a qr code on it containing the same info plus a digital signature, and have verifiers scan it with an app. That sounds a lot more secure than the enduser having an app that the verifier just looks at with their eyes.

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Post by Alupis »

pope_meat wrote: post #155
keiferski wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube is filled with so many interesting little channels. I wish the algorithms highlighted them more. I remember one channel of an old guy just smoking a cigar for an hour. Said nothing, just sat there. There were thousands of videos of him doing this, going back years. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately.

That's a sex thing. People are jerking off to videos of people smoking. The more you know.

Pretty sure some people do that to anything.

Doesn't mean the intent behind the video was that...

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