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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by fastball »

selykg wrote: post #137
tvolkert wrote: post #124

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Flutter team member here. In Flutter, the developer consciously decides which text should be selectable (and thus copy/paste'able), so while it's true that text is not inherently selectable in a Flutter app, text that the app developer decided to make selectable will be.

This sounds awful. Like some sort of bullshit DRM in a way. Now I'm thinking of all the ways I could get screwed here. * Not being able to copy transactions from my bank account * Not being able to easily send text to a read-later service (not sure if this necessarily depends on selectable text, but who knows, maybe selectable means the text isn't visible to these services now) * Not being able to easily copy somethi…

You know devs can already make text not selectable on the web, right?

Re: Flutter 2

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eseidelGoogle wrote: post #155
rp1229 wrote: post #127

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The new Google Pay app on iOS is incredibly sluggish -- animations stutter, switching pages has hesitations. I'm not sure what they mean by "quality" in this case.

[Flutter Eng. Dir here] We were also not satisfied with the performance of the initial GPay release. We've been working with the GPay team the last couple months and have made significant improvements within both Flutter and the GPay app. Hopefully the next release of GPay will be out soon and others will be able to see the progress we're continuing to make with the team.

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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by aden1ne »

timsneath wrote: post #51
fwip wrote: post #39

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The example spinner ( h https://flutter.dev/#dartpad-landing-page ) also looks pretty choppy on my Macbook Pro 16. I haven't tried on lower-specced devices, but it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

Yeah, that's running in development mode, since it's a scratchpad for live coding. Try something like https://flutterplasma.dev for an example of Flutter's web support when compiled in release mode.

This took about 30 seconds to load on a Galaxy S7 Edge (yes, I know, ancient technology in 2021) with Firefox. I briefly thought the tab had crashed.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by terhechte »

randomchars wrote: post #35

The idea sounds very appealing, especially to an indie developer: being able to ship your app on multiple platforms from a single codebase is kind of the holy grail. Unfortunately, the result is.... I tested this Flutter example[1], on a 16" MBP with and i7, and it is janky as it can get, it feels like I'm using a 15 year old computer. From the code it looks like the whole thing is... rendered on canvas? I'll pass. […

Interestingly I've tried it on Brave on a M1, and it is very smooth. I also tried their Plasma demo and it was very smooth (https://flutterplasma.dev/) but that might say more about the M1 than Flutter.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by fastball »

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #145
tvolkert wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flutter team member here. In Flutter, the developer consciously decides which text should be selectable (and thus copy/paste'able), so while it's true that text is not inherently selectable in a Flutter app, text that the app developer decided to make selectable will be.

In the context of the web, this seems like it should be a non-starter. Why should the developer be able to tell the user what can and cannot be selected?

Um. You can do this in HTML/CSS too.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by lwansbrough »

mdoms wrote: post #197
yagodragon wrote: post #112

We're all complaining about how js is a bad language, tooling is a mess, and how the web is fundamentally built for documents and makes it hard to create app-like experiences. Now, Google comes and creates a whole new UI toolkit from scratch, couples it with a very beautiful SDK and component framework and offers a far better programming language than js could ever be but we're still nagging. I was also pretty disapp…

I just visited flutterfolio.com. The very first thing I tried to do is enter a username and Tab to the password field. But Tab just catapulted my input focus to the browser address bar. I mean, come on.

Haha I just read your comment, totally forgot about it, then tried to do the same thing and it happened to me too. Firefox.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by fastball »

mdoms wrote: post #208
tvolkert wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flutter team member here. In Flutter, the developer consciously decides which text should be selectable (and thus copy/paste'able), so while it's true that text is not inherently selectable in a Flutter app, text that the app developer decided to make selectable will be.

Question for the flutter devs - have you ever used The Internet?

Have you?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/user-select

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by eulers_secret »

whalesalad wrote: post #174
eulers_secret wrote: post #168

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> you cannot copy the text anymore. Isn't this a feature? Having text easy to copy and paste is a copyright problem for many sites. Same with being able to save full-resolution images. It's pretty common to see a copy/paste in forum comments to get around a paywall. IMO either this or some other webassembly view is the future, simply because it's great DRM. Sure, you can circumvent it, but most people cannot.

Interesting rationalization. Don’t you think copying text is the norm and not the exception?

I do think it's the norm, and very much dislike this trend.

I should make my position more clear: I hate this stuff with a passion. But, big business wants better content protection, and big money always gets what it wants - very few exceptions there. I wish we could do something as technologists who want to keep these features of the web; but against trillion dollar companies I know who I'd bet for...

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by hnuser123456 »

mdoms wrote: post #197
yagodragon wrote: post #112

We're all complaining about how js is a bad language, tooling is a mess, and how the web is fundamentally built for documents and makes it hard to create app-like experiences. Now, Google comes and creates a whole new UI toolkit from scratch, couples it with a very beautiful SDK and component framework and offers a far better programming language than js could ever be but we're still nagging. I was also pretty disapp…

I just visited flutterfolio.com. The very first thing I tried to do is enter a username and Tab to the password field. But Tab just catapulted my input focus to the browser address bar. I mean, come on.

works on firefox

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by jaegerpicker »

yagodragon wrote: post #112

We're all complaining about how js is a bad language, tooling is a mess, and how the web is fundamentally built for documents and makes it hard to create app-like experiences. Now, Google comes and creates a whole new UI toolkit from scratch, couples it with a very beautiful SDK and component framework and offers a far better programming language than js could ever be but we're still nagging. I was also pretty disapp…

Are you a native mobile developer? I am (was I'm moving to ML/AI/Data engineering) and I don't think flutter is in any way easier or nicer than the native toolchains for mobile. Both Swift and Kotlin are better languages than Dart IMO, the IDE and tooling is far superior for both also. Flutter is faster but once to deploy a substandard quality of app for sure but matching the quality of a native app? That takes just as long in Flutter as building a native app in each tool chain. I've built apps in React Native, Flutter, Ionic, and Swift/Kotlin. I'd reach of Swift/Kotlin for developer experience, performance, and quality of app EVERY time.
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