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Post by 1996 »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #88
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #75

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> But, it is way, way, less stressful living here, just in general. Americans have no idea. The taxes are worth the peace of mind along with the stability it gives society. I don’t know what it is about Europeans on American websites telling us how great it is to have 1/3 less PPP and higher taxes, but I sure as hell don’t want my taxes any higher. A grand total of none of my international friends have anywhere near…

>I don’t know what it is about Europeans on American websites telling us how great it is to have 1/3 less PPP and higher taxes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe... I don't mean to be rude but please look at that above link and understand how poor you as a citizen of USA are. It's frustrating to come from a country thats ~3X as wealthy as the USA in terms of median wealth (i'm Australian) an…

> The USA fucked up somewhere along the way and taxed the poor (those Speak for yourself! I prefer not to be taxed, so I'd rather have the poor taxed than the rich.

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Post by davidw »

vyrotek wrote: post #208
davidw wrote: post #191

I started looking at getting my Italian citizenship last year and then COVID hit and I wasn't about to travel to the consulate in San Francisco to deal with it. Kids have both US and Italian though. I hope to do it at some point, although I have some nagging doubts about Italy making a grab for US assets that are probably unfounded.

Ha, I'm literally looking into the same thing as well. Somehow I was never informed that me and my kids are eligible. Its supposedly somewhat easier because because my mother is an Italian citizen and living. But I didn't want to have to travel somewhere either. I did read something about how you can get it done quickly while in Italy. I'm kicking myself having missed the chance to do that while I was there a couple…

I haven't looked at it for a while because we've just been holed up at home, but I seem to recall that the biggest PITA was having to do some kind of language test, and you can only do that via approved places. I speak the language fluently, so it's not a worry, just a hassle, but if you don't speak it well, you probably ought to brush up. Also: requirements may differ for different situations - I am married to an Italian woman. Sometimes things are different for children or other relationships.

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Post by S53Vflnr4n »

gamekathu wrote: post #161
S53Vflnr4n wrote: post #154

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People choosing Quebec to immigrate must be either fluent in French or stupid. Quebec immigration is perhaps one of the most arcane system and politically influenced. To compare it only takes 4 or 6 months to get a PR in rest of Canada if you have the right skills. In Quebec, even if you have the right skills and speaks French, it takes a minimum of 2 years if the red tape allows. If you do not know French with the r…

For some people the choice is governed by the educational institution. Sure, I could have applied to UofT but my research led me to McGill (and I’m frankly glad that happened).

Education yes. Everything else you won’t be that glad.

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Post by mrsaint »

stefan_ wrote: post #186
tonfa wrote: post #141

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I hope the kids won't mind having to declare/pay US taxes :)

And hopefully they won't ever need a European bank account, or any other kind of financial service. All I ever signed up for, besides asking for citizenship, also explicitly asked for having US citizenship. Presumably checking that box is the immediate end of the application process.

Perhaps we're just lucky, but our Swiss bank was okay with it. We only had to guarantee to have a licensed US tax advisor prepare our US tax returns, filing requirements, FATCA/FBAR etc.

While Swiss banks are a bit crazy about anything related to the US (three years ago or so they just stopped accepting US checks from one month to the next, even though they had previously charged a crazy amount of money for it to be cashed in), I heard that banks in neighboring countries such as Germany are less concerned as long as your bank advisor follows some general guidelines.

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Post by pbk1 »

lars512 wrote: post #47

I’m all for dual citizenships, but a downside nobody’s talking about is that you have to spend 5-10 years of your life in your new country to get it, not factoring in multi-year waiting times that may exist for processing citizenship. Essentially, you need to be comfortable migrating.

You can accelerate 5-10 years to 3 months using pay for citizenship schemes. For example Grenada has one where you get citizenship and a passport in return for "donating" $150k USD to the government. Grenada's is interesting because you get visa-free access to China. Antigua and Barbuda are running a "50% off sale" (I kid you not..) where the cost is only $100k USD (normally $200k USD)

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Post by temp20210221 »

jonas_kgomo wrote: post #202

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Are those migration documents or crypto credit cards?

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Post by cletus »

disabled wrote: post #170
mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

> It took several years and a good lawyer to get passed the beaucracy. Ultimately I received the Croatian passport and so did our children about half a year later. Yeah, it is always advisable to get a Croatian lawyer when applying for Croatian citizenship, for example, even if you know exactly what you are doing. Croatian law allows for loose arbitrary interpretations of the law by government servants in the bureauc…

Applying for US citizenship is actually pretty straightforward unless there is something weird about your case (eg a conviction). Nowadays it can take a lot of clock time. But the application itself (N-400) is easy.

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Post by nix23 »

sangnoir wrote: post #198
1996 wrote: post #192

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With a Swiss passport and the place of birth being Switzerland, nobody will ever ask them. If they are asked if they have other citizenship, they can always say Germany - end of the inquiry.

Banks ask everyone during application if applicant have a US citizenship, because of some anti-terror-funding law which non-American banks find onerous. Are you saying the kids should lie and deny being American?

>Are you saying the kids should lie and deny being American?

No, you just don't have to say it, you have a swiss passport and that's it.

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Post by kbutler »

ghaff wrote: post #144
xrendan wrote: post #32

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How do you find the timezone change if you work remotely for an American company?

I work in my company's main timezone (US East coast). But my observation is that the (few) people we have on the West coast need to adapt to fairly regular 6am or so meetings and those in Europe often need to work into at least the early evening. It works although IMO being at all synchronous starts to get hard with more than a 6hr difference.

I worked East coast time from the Mountain time zone, with colleagues primarily in the East Coast, Europe, and India.

The 6am meetings were a constant feature - complicated by the semi-annual daylight saving time dance.

Indian coworkers shifted their work day a bit later (helped a little with traffic!). Europe definitely preferred the mid-afternoon meetings, rather than flipping them by 12 hours. Adding anyone from Oceania would be difficult...

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Post by nix23 »

croat_in_zurich wrote: post #168
mrsaint wrote: post #96

Our two children are 4 and 6, and they both hold four citizenships. My wife is US American, I am German, my dad is Croatian and we've been living in Switzerland for almost 15 years. When the kids were born, they both had US and German citizenship jus sanguinis. German passports arrived almost instantaneously. The US passports required us to visit the US embassy multiple times and fill out plenty of paper work. Them g…

Sorry for the issues with the travesty called the Croatian citizenship law. They are too busy not accidentally giving citizenship to the "wrong" people. I will vote, no questions asked, for any party proposing a Law of Return for passports, no matter where the person intends to live. As for the Swiss immigration officials, they are very competent, but I've gotten the impression they always want me to leave back where…

>but I've gotten the impression they always want me to leave back where I came from.

It's the same if you move from Zurich to graubuenden :)

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