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How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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From product innovation and design focused company into shareholders and politics first driven company. Closing the product ecosystem further, ignoring pro user needs, giving priority for dark pattern designs - dongle nightmare, giving access to user data to governments, censoring and creating barriers for OSS. I fully expect Apple to be the front-line operator in the new world envisioned by The Dirty Bunch Planners…

You need to get some therapy.

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I thought the reason (for the one-button mouse) was so that you'd never have to think about which button to click.

"Farag recalls a prototype presentation meeting with Jobs where he and the design team presented possibilities for what would be the next Apple mouse. The team had several versions to show Steve, some of which "were fully done, with all the parting lines cut in for buttons and different plastic parts, and all the colors just right," according to Farag. At the last moment the team decided to include a prototype that e…

> In the real world where it does now you just have to know to control-click, which seems strictly worse.

The Mac didn't support context menus (control-click) until MacOS 8 in 1997 (13 years after the original Mac), and even then it was solely for shortcuts, and never for required functionality (unlike on Windows where some apps locked features behind that button)

All Apple input devices sold today support an alternative click (two finger tap on touch devices)

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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From product innovation and design focused company into shareholders and politics first driven company. Closing the product ecosystem further, ignoring pro user needs, giving priority for dark pattern designs - dongle nightmare, giving access to user data to governments, censoring and creating barriers for OSS. I fully expect Apple to be the front-line operator in the new world envisioned by The Dirty Bunch Planners…

The first half of your comment contained pretty legit complaints about Apples anti-consumer choices and genera direction. You completely lost me in the second where you just lost your temper and griped about things that bothered you personally about the world like BLM movement and (something about?) LGBT.

I respectfully disagree. You are missing the part “in the name of”. I will refine further: corporations don’t care for anything than profit and power. Period. Corporations use genuine societal processes for marketing and political purposes, government contracts, lobbying etc. There is a ton of data in support of my point of view. And please, there is nothing “personal”, I just genuinely hate hypocrisy.

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>I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand But then how did you assess the quality of Apple's chargers? Can the same methodology not be applied then to other brands as well?

Nobody else has Apple's resources for supply management, nor are they as large a target for getting sued - Apple has the ability and incentive to sell safe products.

And Samsung, Panasonic, LG, SONY, Lenovo, Dell, HP and every other major electronics brand don't? How so?

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From product innovation and design focused company into shareholders and politics first driven company. Closing the product ecosystem further, ignoring pro user needs, giving priority for dark pattern designs - dongle nightmare, giving access to user data to governments, censoring and creating barriers for OSS. I fully expect Apple to be the front-line operator in the new world envisioned by The Dirty Bunch Planners…

You need to get some therapy.

Do you have a pill of Soma to share? :)

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I worked in, and around OEM electronics since 2007. I've seen many guys like Tim Cook, most worse off ones. He squeezes suppliers, and know what he is doing. Others squeeze suppliers, and don't know what they are doing. On one of my first jobs, I've been witness to one such negotiations down to single cents, and microns of plastic for a few million units customized charger order. The order was such a whopper for a sm…

Dispensing with "unnecessary" components is called Muntzing, after Muntz, a TV salesman in the 1940s and 50s. He reduced costs by cutting out components from a TV until it stopped working, to find the minimum number of components required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntzing

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>I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand But then how did you assess the quality of Apple's chargers? Can the same methodology not be applied then to other brands as well?

Their size and demonstrated product quality in other areas, plus this guy’s tear down: http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-...

>Their size

How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick.

>and demonstrated product quality in other areas

Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famous "stagelight effect" AKA "flexgate" where you'd being charged $600 to fix the $6 ribbon cable[1]?

[1]https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284236-some-apple-lapt...

Edit: Ah, I see the downvotes are already here. I guess criticism of Apple with proof is not tolerated on HN.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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I worked in, and around OEM electronics since 2007. I've seen many guys like Tim Cook, most worse off ones. He squeezes suppliers, and know what he is doing. Others squeeze suppliers, and don't know what they are doing. On one of my first jobs, I've been witness to one such negotiations down to single cents, and microns of plastic for a few million units customized charger order. The order was such a whopper for a sm…

> like using 2 cheaper through hole diodes in parallel instead of one a cent more expensive Well, technically, once the first one burned out he still had a spare ;) You should have insisted on current limiting resistors in series :) On another note, I can see a small business in selling matched pairs of diodes...

> On another note, I can see a small business in selling matched pairs of diodes...

Hah but that will make it cost 0.0005 more per unit, can't have that

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Their size and demonstrated product quality in other areas, plus this guy’s tear down: http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-...

>Their size How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick. >and demonstrated product quality in other areas Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famo…

> How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size?

I'm pretty sure spoonjim was referring to the size of Apple, not the size of the chargers they make.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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post #79

I worked in, and around OEM electronics since 2007. I've seen many guys like Tim Cook, most worse off ones. He squeezes suppliers, and know what he is doing. Others squeeze suppliers, and don't know what they are doing. On one of my first jobs, I've been witness to one such negotiations down to single cents, and microns of plastic for a few million units customized charger order. The order was such a whopper for a sm…

If only the executives' salaries were scrutinized this closely. If someone is telling you about sacrificing safety to save a lone cent they are insane or hopelessly inept at their job. On almost any profit margin imaginable. Sell a million of these for $88 and you have saved only $10,000 on $88 million in sales. I don't know the Kindle profit margin but I'm going to guess it is quite a bit. One court case about the c…

Charger blocks are not $88 retail let alone BOM. 1 cent in BOM translates to 5-7c in MSRP if I recall correctly. The charger itself is probably a dollar or two so you’re looking at 2-5% of the total charger cost. Maybe not a talent thing on the part of the engineer (although could be contributory) so much as getting pressure from management to cut BOM across the board without management specifying any kind of threshold requirement.

Obviously still ridiculous when talking about charger safety but it’s important to remember we only see one side of the story here. Who knows what actually happened. I’ve worked with talented EE engineers on the client side complaining about how the contractor fucked up a board layout, wired things up incorrectly, or swapped out for cheaper “equivalent” parts that were out of spec in some incorrect way.

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