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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by rtkwe »

zarkov99 wrote: post #59
uncledave wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter has a moderation policy and applied it. Parler didn’t and didn’t apply anything. Edit: also fuck everyone related to Parler. Read in detail: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...

Are you sure about that? I almost sure I read somewhere that Parler has a policy that prohibits incitement of violence.

The policy means nothing if it isn't applied and a lot of what happened on Wednesday (and way worse) was planned in the open on Parler. Parler's moderation also principally consisted from what I've heard of community 'jury of peers' where a reported post was shown to ~5 other users who decided if it was a violation which is incredibly insufficient and basically guarantees the policy will not be enforced.

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Post by manigandham »

meekrohprocess wrote: post #132
axlee wrote: post #84

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> The US government should also move to immediately outlaw targeted algorithmic advertising, which would make a huge impact on Big Tech's sectarian violence cashcow. That is an interesting proposition, but I wonder what would fill the void created. I believe advertising does not increase consumption per-se, but that it redistributes it among a different set of product and services, so who would be the winners and los…

What's wrong with targeting ads based on subject matter? TV channels and magazines know how this works. If the page is about fashion, sell ad space to clothing companies. If the page is about travel, sell it to hospitality companies and tourism boards. If the page is about politics or finance, sell it to people making catheters and stair lifts. It's much less creepy than trying to spy on everybody who reads the page,…

It doesnt work as well as targeted ads. Why would hundreds of billions in ad spend willingly choose a lesser option?

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Post by nullc »

tptacek wrote: post #54
charly187 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: I see you changed your post from "Parler is refusing to moderate" to "Parler is refusing/failing to moderate". The post below is an answer to "Parler is refusing to moderate". This is false. Parler has also been banning accounts explicitly calling for violence. I encourage you all to read the complaint: > AWS knew its allegations contained in the letter it leaked to the press that Parler was not able to find an…

Amazon cited a long string of specific violent posts that they themselves reported to Parler and that Parler didn't remove.

So, Parler perjured themselves in the linked complaint when they stated that every example cited by amazon was removed?

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

bigtones wrote: post #94

1). AWS can suspend service for any customer immediately upon giving that customer notice. They do not have to provide a "remediation period" or give the customer any grace time at all. Every customer agrees to this as part of the AWS Customer Agreement 2). AWS can terminate an account immediately if they deem you in violation of their policies instead of a suspension - as was the case with Parler. It's all in the AW…

Ah, so we're back to "The bakery did nothing wrong."

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Post by chefkoch »

djsumdog wrote: post #103
gameswithgo wrote: post #39

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It is weird to me that we people seem to be saying "These 4 companies need to be broken up". They are already 4 companies. It seems different than say, the Bell breakup, which was one company.

Do you remember the court testimony where Zuckerburge avoided the entire question about if they collude with other companies to make these decisions on the backend? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXuk-WSDDRw Apple may have banned Parler and then Google just decided to go with it, followed by AWS. However, it may also be equally valid they colluded via private channels to make this happen. BOTH ARE EQUALLY POSSIBLE.…

>Just because they're 4 different companies doesn't negate the fact they control over 80% to 90% of the American market for hosting, non-SMS text communication and mobile access.

Citation please.

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Post by djsumdog »

I just want to say, I called this years ago:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/the-new-era-of-corporate-...

    They came for Alex Jones and I said nothing
    Because I didn't believe in gay frogs[1]

    They came for Daily Stormer and I said nothing
    Because I knew nothing about Daily Stormer and believed everything the media I said about them because their site was gone

    They came for ever heterodox opinion on Reddit and I said nothing
    Because I believed those opinions were wrong
    and Reddit was within their rights as a private company to ban them

    Then I had a heterodox opinion and lost my Google account, my Facebook account, my phone numbers I ported to Twilio because I thought that was safe, and all means of communicating with friends whose phone numbers I did not get.
And there was no one left to give a shit.

It's really your fault you know.

[1]: https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/

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Post by [deleted] »

burger_moon wrote: post #177
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

This Glen Greebwald who "quit" in protest to his false Hunter Biden witch hunt? The guy lost all credibility pushing that fake bullshit story so far he lost his job at his own news org. https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...

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Post by tpoacher »

ztratar wrote: post #119
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

I bet they also have Facebook accounts though. I bet they even have Gmail. They might even have Amazon and Ebay accounts.

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Post by joshstrange »

chrisco255 wrote: post #174
wyldfire wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hardly think Hawley is a model of a trustworthy source these days.

I would. He showed the screenshot and Zuckerberg didn't deny it. At any rate, I wouldn't consider Zuckerberg a trustworthy source these days.

You are twisting words. Zuckerberg said he had no knowledge of a tool called that but couldn't say for sure that it didn't exist since he doesn't always know the names of all the internal tools they have. The CEO of my company doesn't know the internal names for tons of stuff we do, this isn't surprising. Also it's not proven to exist.

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Post by Nacdor »

tbenst wrote: post #129
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

This is almost certainly false. For example, see the arrest of the leader of the Proud Boys (for events prior to Capitol, but played active role on Parler encouraging proud boys violence that day): https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/several-well-know...

The story does confirm he wasn't there though, not sure if he had been released by then:

> Tarrio does not appear to have been present during the insurrection.

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