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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by [deleted] »

sircastor wrote: post #177
dataflow wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stripe and Twitter are pretty clearly the latter. They might be the latter, but I wouldn't consider it obvious. Regarding social media, we've gotten to the point where even US Visa applications ask for social media handles (and I understand they consider it as a negative datum if you don't provide one). And we're also at the point where some companies won't provide you with respectable service unless you @ them on…

Wasn't there a sort-of reverse issue a year or two ago, when the President was blocking people on twitter and a court ruled that he was violating their 1st amendment rights? Is it exclusively because of his office? Could it be construed the other direction?

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Post by camhart »

AYBABTME wrote: post #151
camhart wrote: post #119

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This takes it a step closer, and certainly invokes that fear.

They would have done it sooner if it was politically motivated, as opposed to being in reaction to breach of their ToS.

I disagree. Earlier would mean Republicans have more time to enforce consequences. With looming antitrust cases with many big tech companies, this could be construed as a pledge of loyalty.

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Post by skoopie »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #120
chrissnell wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now. This mob actively organized on Twitter and other social media. Where was the outrage in June? Most of the organizations that organized this destruction still have their Twitter accounts.

> The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now They're "coming for" police reform and transparency. Please don't misrepresent or generalise very disparate groups of demonstrators.

I love it when people try to gaslight us like we haven't seen the shit that happened last year. The capitol building "coup" was like watching a kids bop version of BLM/antifa.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by dragonwriter »

jo032 wrote: post #17
nobody9999 wrote: post #14

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>The lesson should be that it was still a mistake to take civil liberties away I agree. No one should take Stripe's civil liberties away from them.

Hollywood is a private business as well. They were within their rights to make a blacklist. And people cheered on big business for protecting them and snitched on their friends to their employers, just like they're doing now

> Hollywood is a private business as well.

No, it's not a private business.

> They were within their rights to make a blacklist

No, making an agreement in restraint of trade is a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

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Post by greatgirl »

ashtonkem wrote: post #76
sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

Spare us your outrage. A literal mob just overran the Capitol. Attempting to talk about “the mob” in opposition to the actual mobs that are continuing to take over Capitol buildings is frankly so tone deaf it’s almost insulting to our intelligence.

I'm tired of people who have only read one book in their entire lives (1984) trying to explain to me how banning Trump is going to lead to an angry leftist mob throwing me in jail (because leftists have power right?) for speaking.

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Post by yetanother5 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #187
incrudible wrote: post #179

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Spare us your hypocrisy. A literal mob took over parts of Seattle and several government buildings. Hundreds of buildings have been burned or looted in the past year during protests. People were killed in the process. Did anybody think to deplatform the Biden campaign? No, we did not - and rightly so. We accepted their condemnation of violence just as we should accept that of Trump and his campaign.

Biden decried the violence in Seattle. Trump encouraged this riot, and may have even purposefully slowed down the authorization to send in the National Guard. You don’t get to call me a hypocrite based on stuff you’ve made up.

Trump didn’t encourage any rioting. Stop making stuff up.

He Tweeted everyone saying to be peaceful and go home.

Twitter censored those Tweets. Presumably to fit the narrative you have swallowed.

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Post by mehrdadn »

neltnerb wrote: post #174
dataflow wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stripe and Twitter are pretty clearly the latter. They might be the latter, but I wouldn't consider it obvious. Regarding social media, we've gotten to the point where even US Visa applications ask for social media handles (and I understand they consider it as a negative datum if you don't provide one). And we're also at the point where some companies won't provide you with respectable service unless you @ them on…

I'm confused, payment processors often stop working with criminals, or even non-criminals that are just in "unseemly" industries. PayPal arbitrarily freezes people's accounts for even possibly being scams, why not obvious billion dollar ones? I have never thought they were neutral when it came to actual crimes. That's so much liability, why would anyone expect them to take it on given how risk averse they are?

> PayPal arbitrarily freezes people's accounts

PayPal kept doing that so much that regulators (FTC? I forget) finally made them stop holding pseudo-cash accounts for people until/unless people specifically requested it. Laws take time to catch up.

> why not obvious billion dollar ones? why would anyone expect them to take it on given how risk averse they are?

Again: I'm not opining on what they should or shouldn't be doing. All I'm saying is, if you think the fact that it's not a utility is a good supporting argument for this, I'm saying their classification is far from obvious to me. But if you have other arguments to make, I'm not expressing any opinions on them; I'm solely replying to the "it's clearly not a utility" bit.

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Post by newbie578 »

I'm curious if other countries around the world are going to see how dependent they are on these so called "platforms" and is it going to trigger a change.

If Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Google, Stripe, etc. decide to ban you, you are done, vanished into thin air. You lose your infrastructure, social network, media channel, de-listed from Search, and oh yeah right, your financial end up being blocked.

While Uganda is not the best example, they are the first country which realised how quickly you can get deleted, so they just decided to completely block all the players. And again, the average joe gets hurt...

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Post by perardi »

ohnohell wrote: post #142
perardi wrote: post #132

Freedom of speech, you cry. Well, OK, this is freedom of speech…for Stripe. They don’t like what Trump has done. They are a private company. It’s their ball. They can take it home whenever they want to. Speech has consequences, and if you foment a hostile takeover of Congress, you pay your price.

This argument went out the window when Amazon started infrastructure bans. "Build your own..." What? Internet? Country?

I would greatly appreciate if the Trumpists would go form their own nation.
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