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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by evan_ »

kolbe wrote: post #196
compscistd wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because someone on the inside opened the door and let them in, it’s not “storming”? Those Twitter comments are all suggesting this was a setup, but the more likely scenario is that most of those that should be serving as police either were sympathetic to today’s right wing rhetoric or weren’t prepared for a mess of people. What were they supposed to do at the point of this video? Pull out their guns and escalate the…

When they let you walk in quietly, yeah. You can stretch language all you want until it has no meaning, but "storming" has a definition, and it isn't "people I don't like went somewhere I didn't want them to go." u/doomslice did post an example of something that would be considered "storming." https://www.thefreedictionary.com/storming 5. A violent disturbance or upheaval, as in political, social, or domestic affairs…

Why not post the verb definitions directly below the noun definitions you posted?

  1. To assault or capture suddenly: The troops stormed the fortress. See Synonyms at attack.  
  2. To travel around (a place) vigorously in an attempt to gain support: The candidates stormed the country.  
  3. To shout angrily: "Never!" she stormed.
Even if you're pretending that there was no violence in the event that left 5 people dead and many more hospitalized, those all apply.

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Post by smcl »

c22 wrote: post #145
smcl wrote: post #61

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For this specific decision I think we can put it down to incompetence over malice - it'd presumably be easy for whoever was co-ordinating it dismiss all the riot talks as bluster and figure it'd just be yet another protest with a lot of shouting. I imagine we'll hear more about it, but I would be surprised if it was a co-ordinated effort in concert with the rioters (I don't know what to call them). The footage of pol…

I agree with this take. It's possible that after a year of particularly intense criticism of police department's actions vs protesters across the country they didn't want to appear to be over-reacting (which could fan all kinds of flames) and didn't expect the crowds to be quite so wild. I don't know what kinds of contingency planning may have taken place, but ultimately this event seems to have been ended and cleane…

Yeah we're definitely in speculation territory here so I'm wary of going too far. But I would imagine it was not a conscious attempt clean up their act and do their job with a less heavy hand. The idea that they'd suddenly decide to have a change of heart and that the first people who encountered this new, soft-touch policing happened to be right wingers - I don't buy it.

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Post by standardUser »

boringg wrote: post #137
standardUser wrote: post #130

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If they followed proper security no individual would have been let out of the Capitol without being detained and searched.

Agree with this... also though capitol police were overwhelmed and 3 % control (ie managed to keep politicians out of harms way excluding covid implications) of the situation.

Yes, after seeing the video today of the shooting, it's clear that the Capitol police were very barely able to keep people safe. But later, when so much backup arrived, it appeared as if many people simply walked away and went home, which is baffling to me.

The video: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ash...

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Post by vernie »

doomslice wrote: post #167
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #146

Storming? Let’s not get ahead ourselves here. The capitol police literally opened the door and let them inside: https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1347615270504955904... Which explains this hilarious picture of a 70-year old grandma “coup plotter” posing with coffee mug. https://twitter.com/TheRealEWILLZ/status/1346999976899932161...

Maybe this will change your mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20m04s&v=cJOgGsC0G9U

It's a real testament to the effectiveness of the BLM protests that the police took a good hard look at themselves and decided to use a light touch from here on out.

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Post by nomel »

doomslice wrote: post #167
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #146

Storming? Let’s not get ahead ourselves here. The capitol police literally opened the door and let them inside: https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1347615270504955904... Which explains this hilarious picture of a 70-year old grandma “coup plotter” posing with coffee mug. https://twitter.com/TheRealEWILLZ/status/1346999976899932161...

Maybe this will change your mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20m04s&v=cJOgGsC0G9U

It appears that one long squirt of pepper spray broke up that situation.

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Post by rayiner »

mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

That’s just how the Capitol (and most US state houses) is. My wife has on multiple occasions waltzed down to the (non-public) underground subway that connects the Capitol to the Senate and House office buildings to chat with members of Congress. The Capitol Police usually say “well you’re not supposed to be here, but I guess it’s okay.”

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Post by djsumdog »

deathgrips wrote: post #169
djsumdog wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for that part where they murdered an unarmed Air Force veteran.

It's not murder if it's legal. If you don't want to get shot, don't invade the seat of government during a constitutionally prescribed transition of power, break through a barricade, ignore a cop's orders and approach a cop pointing his gun at you. Hard, I know.

And you assume that's everything that happened? Did she break through a barrier? People were walking right in.You don't know which group she cam in with. In the various videos, she was trying to get out. They all were.

The dude who fired the shot, are you really defending him? A man with no real reasonable threat to his life? None of the people in that shot were shown to be armed.

Honest question, what are your views on Jacob Blake? Do you defend him? Because he sexually assaulted a women who had a restraining order against him, ignored police orders to stop, got up after being tazed twice and reached into a car with children. The DA found the police were completely justified in shooting him 7 times in the back.

This is the double standard. If you say she had no excuse for getting shot, than neither did Jacob Blake, or Breyanna Taylor.

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Post by kelchqvjpnfasjl »

vincentmarle wrote: post #112
ashtonkem wrote: post #103

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All that money, all those guns, all that harassing of random citizens, and this happened. One has to ask “what are we actually paying for?”

Right, the annual Capitol Police budget alone is $550 million.

A police force of 2200, just for one building. Compare that to the Atlanta Police Department which has 1800 officers for a city of 500,000+ people and a size of 136 sq miles.

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Post by deathgrips »

djsumdog wrote: post #143
callmeal wrote: post #88

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>They were understaffed, and it was clear that they could not protect both the building and the people. They correctly prioritized evacuating the people. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they would have been overstaffed if the protestors had a different skin color.

> different skin color. In the 1970s, armed Black Panther members took the California State Capitol and no one died. At least one officer is dead (this changes daily so who knows) and one protestor (she was unarmed, that's a protestor, trespasser at best) was shot by sorry excuse of a Capitol Officer who shot wildly into a crowd (almost hitting the other Federal Officer behind her!) Please stop making this about race…

You're not a protester if you are breaking into congress, breaking past a barricade, being told to stop, and walking towards an officer pointing his gun at you. You're suicidal.

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Post by [deleted] »

amyjess wrote: post #209
djsumdog wrote: post #171

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> insurrectionists Peaceful protestors. Were the BLM people who stormed city hall in Seattle insurrectionists? Where the Black Panthers who took the California State Capitol in the 1970s insurrectionists? Stop with the bullshit name games. These were not rioters. They didn't set anything on fire. They should not have stolen or broken anything. That's wrong and bad and should be condemned. Those people should get fede…

Storming the capitol to stop the certification of an election whose result t hey didn't like is the very definition of an attempted coup d'etat. They had zip ties meant for the purpose of taking hostages: https://twitter.com/Adiscen/status/1347189171362918400 IEDs were found at the DNC and RNC: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/pipe-bomb-rnc... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-exclusive-photo-sus…

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