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TFW when you think capitalism can survive without the state
i don't think walter is an ancap
Confirmed, I am not an ancap.
Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents
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#212> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people," You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something. We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusti…
Fwiw, the administration said:
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We are writing to acknowledge the significant concerns expressed by our community regarding the development and execution of our vaccine distribution plan. We take complete responsibility and profusely apologize to all of you. We fully recognize we should have acted more swiftly to address the errors that resulted in an outcome we did not anticipate
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The chief resident sent an email explaining the nature of the error. The chief resident is, per my limited understanding, a resident from the previous year who stays on in a leadership role. Not obvious to me that someone in that position explaining the root cause is problematic.
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#213Nobody is catching that residents are almost universally 25-35 years old, which puts them in an extremely low risk category for serious illness. Which sucks, but is 100% the most efficient way to prevent deaths. Giving the vaccines to older workers first is correct.
The 25–35 age group is not "extremely low risk" for a serious COVID-19 infection. The risk is lower than older age groups, but it's also substantially increased due to their higher degree of direct patient interaction compared to Stanford's executives and remote employees who did receive the vaccine. Also due to residents' high degree of patient interaction, they are at high risk of spreading COVID-19 to other patients and healthcare workers.
Your opinion is poorly thought out.
Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents
#214> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people," You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something. We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusti…
Fwiw, the administration said: “”” We are writing to acknowledge the significant concerns expressed by our community regarding the development and execution of our vaccine distribution plan. We take complete responsibility and profusely apologize to all of you. We fully recognize we should have acted more swiftly to address the errors that resulted in an outcome we did not anticipate “”” The chief resident sent an em…
Re-read it; the letter from the chief residents (who are residents in their final year of training, in some departments it’s everyone in their last year, in others selected leaders) was _protesting_ the allocation. The letter explaining the error was from hospital leadership, which does not include the chief residents.
The email sent by a chief resident was simply passing on the administration’s explanation.
Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fwiw, the administration said: “”” We are writing to acknowledge the significant concerns expressed by our community regarding the development and execution of our vaccine distribution plan. We take complete responsibility and profusely apologize to all of you. We fully recognize we should have acted more swiftly to address the errors that resulted in an outcome we did not anticipate “”” The chief resident sent an em…
Re-read it; the letter from the chief residents (who are residents in their final year of training, in some departments it’s everyone in their last year, in others selected leaders) was _protesting_ the allocation. The letter explaining the error was from hospital leadership, which does not include the chief residents. The email sent by a chief resident was simply passing on the administration’s explanation.
Chief residents are not always in their final year of training. In some cases, like pediatrics, it's a subsequent leadership year.
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Who cares about ML when we already do that: https://www.slideshare.net/yuyomajadero/jobs-occupations-pro...
The danger is in thinking ML can magically see past human biases and/or is not subject to it’s own types of bias.
Seems like an overhyped danger. Does anyone actually think that? You would have to not even know that the purpose of a language model is to model human language. But if that's the level of your understanding, why would you select a language model to use as a career guidance oracle? Such a negligent career advisor would be just as likely to use those children's posters with pictures of female nurses and male doctors.
I'd like to add that there's also a danger in people trying too hard to avoid bias and losing important information. For example, a man who's a homemaker instead of a programmer is a less attractive partner for a woman. So such an occupation might harm both his quality of life and that of his partner. There is some useful information encoded in cultural bias. Even if that information turns out to be entirely socially constructed, it still has real harmful effects on real humans who go against it.
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#217The labor of medical residents is something hospital systems exploit during normal times, but that exploitation has severely deepened during the pandemic. At the hospital my partner works at, respiratory therapists and nurses got a $10k bonus for working during COVID; the residents got nothing despite working insane hours in ICU, routinely working more than the legally mandated 90 hours per week. Just because doctors…
My wife is one of these trainees left out by this "algorithm." She's an intensive care fellow and was caught up in this mess yesterday. It's really hard to witness considering how much I worry about her everyday she's on service.
My understanding is the training is capped at 80 hours/week, but they average that over the month. They definitely work more than that some weeks, but it's usually because it's not scheduled hours; it's shifts that run long because of emergencies or codes or whatever. When she was a resident and had to write patient notes, that definitely took extra hours each night after her shifts. It's brutal.
And for what it's worth, not all doctors make great money after training. In pediatrics, salaries are generally half what adult doctors make. For a lot of subspecialties, that's on par with average software engineering salaries, even after about 14 years of education and training.
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How would you expect the computer programmer analogy be completed? I legitimately don’t know what a reasonable answer would be.
Two independent things might best be analogized as A:B as C:B. So also computer programmer.
Except that they're not independent and that looks like a fact which the model discovered.
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#219> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people," You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something. We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusti…
It's probably not even a real algorithm and just some janky excel spreadsheet.
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Yes, people love stories like the space pen vs the pencil. The supposedly educated engineer getting shown up by the clever average joe with common sense. There's always someone smarter than you, but see well actually they're not that smart because they're not street smart.
> Yes, people love stories like the space pen vs the pencil. The supposedly educated engineer getting shown up by the clever average joe with common sense. There's always someone smarter than you, but see well actually they're not that smart because they're not street smart. And yet that classic example is also an example of people really not understanding the nuance of larger systems; in that specific case, there we…
Surprise twist: the engineers aren't all stupid.