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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by xaqfox »

goatinaboat wrote: post #184
spoonjim wrote: post #27

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams. Teams has its own bizarre self-inflicted limitations. For example a limit of only 9 people on screen at once whose positions constantly and randomly change. Having used all of them if you have decent sized screens e.g. 28" or better and are presenting to a group or 20-30 people and want to be able to gauge feedback from faces as you would do i…

I don't know how new it is, but Teams has a lecture-hall view option that displays more than 9 people.

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Post by selflesssieve »

MattJ100 wrote: post #172
selflesssieve wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jitsi- use it, love it, host my own instance. Only downside is the api’s are a bit cumbersome using prosody. https://github.com/jitsi

Prosody dev here, feedback welcome :) You can email us any time at developers@prosody.im and community venues are listed here: https://prosody.im/discuss

Impressed by your attentiveness. I’m sure prosody is a fantastic product, I don’t mean to drag it through the mud.

What I should expound on is that in the Jitsi server configuration that out of the box they don’t have good documentation for getting room size, participants, total number of rooms etc. I did find the Jitsi community forums where the Jitsi devs tell community members how to enable some prosody plugins. There was an issue for my vanilla configuration where I needed to update Lua and download 5 other lua rocks. Then the mod-muc-size plug-in needs to be modified and the nginx configuration needs to be updated as well. This is my rough memory from a month ago.

So it would be nice if Jitsi had a more out of the box solution for this integration, and I understand prosody is just a piece in the whole production.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by sneak »

rayiner wrote: post #96
sneak wrote: post #77

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Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

Grand juries, in practice, mean approximately nothing.

We should always presume innocence when law enforcement makes an accusation.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by _cs2017_ »

spondyl wrote: post #111
_cs2017_ wrote: post #67

How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

From what I remember, when remote working during the pandemic first started due to lockdowns, Zoom blew up because it was quite literally one click and you're in a call. The initial installer would do some funky stuff in the ground I believe to bypass a lot of the usual install friction. Once it was discovered, Zoom's installation process became a little bit slower. Next, calls were being "broken into" because there…

> funky stuff in the ground to bypass a lot of the usual install friction. Once it was discovered, Zoom's installation process became a little bit slower.

Why couldn't they keep it even after it was discovered?

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Post by rayiner »

mantap wrote: post #205
rayiner wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

What percentage of grand juries throw out the charges?

That’s not a meaningful number because in practice prosecutors don’t bring cases to grand juries where the evidence isn’t sufficient to indict.

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Post by rayiner »

tehjoker wrote: post #99
rayiner wrote: post #96

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Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

Charges filed means they've pissed off someone powerful, no more no less. It's up to you to evaluate the evidence based on what's publicly known. Generally when the government doesn't show its evidence, it should be treated with extreme skepticism.

The DOJ press release had a link right at the bottom to the 47 page indictment “showing the evidence.” https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1347146/downl...

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Post by ipnon »

balola wrote: post #189
ipnon wrote: post #29

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It's newsworthy that PRC is recruiting Chinese citizens in executive positions of American companies to pursue the intelligence interests of the CCP by disenfranchising Americans of their constitutional rights and in willful violation of American law.

Is it "recruiting"? If so it starts at higher education, "good" students can apply for party membership, which is a prerequisite for lush and comfy gov jobs. And any org that employs 3+ party members shall set up a party chamber, host party sessions and even appoint a sectary. This executive very likely is a party member, but that doesn't necessarily make this act party related, more and more Chinese have come to def…

Yes, the charges allege that the defendant worked with the CCP and the PRC intelligence agencies.

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Post by nonfamous »

astura wrote: post #127
rosywoozlechan wrote: post #16

There's even an FBI wanted poster for this executive: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/xinjiang-jin/...

Where did they get these pictures? They look like mugshots but he's not in custody.

You have to submit photos for US many visa applications. Perhaps he had a US Visa (eg L1) at some point.

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Post by nonfamous »

goatinaboat wrote: post #184
spoonjim wrote: post #27

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams.

All of this CCP poison inside Zoom must be a huge gift to Microsoft Teams. Teams has its own bizarre self-inflicted limitations. For example a limit of only 9 people on screen at once whose positions constantly and randomly change. Having used all of them if you have decent sized screens e.g. 28" or better and are presenting to a group or 20-30 people and want to be able to gauge feedback from faces as you would do i…

Teams now supports 49 people onscreen.

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Post by webmaven »

throwaway554322 wrote: post #157
pstrateman wrote: post #39

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If you think someone born in China who hires Chinese people in China to do all the engineering work isn't still Chinese then you haven't been paying much attention to how the CCP operates.

I guess that makes Tesla a South African company. Should AMD and Nvidia be Taiwanese companies?

> I guess that makes Tesla a South African company.

Does Tesla mostly employ South Africans?

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