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Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by wiz21c »

lastontheboat wrote: post #2

We've been cagey about this over the months since the Servo team at Mozilla was disbanded, since there were various moving pieces that needed to fall into place. We're excited about the possibility for Servo to continue growing and evolving in its new home, though!

Hmmm Well, I'm not in the business, but if the team was disbanded, then where's the knowledge gone and who will be the next paid team ? I ask because I guess Servo is not the kind of project you just commit some patch over the weekend...

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by konjin »

arendtio wrote: post #98

I am confused. I thought it is the raison d'être of Mozilla to develop a browser. So how does it come that the brand new browser engine they developed is being given away? I mean, even if they need to cut costs, isn't Servo part of the team they should keep until the end?

>I am confused. I thought it is the raison d'être of Mozilla to develop a browser.

To put it bluntly: Mozilla is no longer a browser company. It is a patsy for google to point to and say "See we're not a monopoly.". Secondary goals are increasing the supply of devs for big tech and lowering wages.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by webmaven »

olah_1 wrote: post #210
webmaven wrote: post #157

This is encouraging. An Electron competitor would be really nice. I'd be especially interested in an Electron-but-for-Python, along the lines of PythonWebkit: https://www.gnu.org/software/pythonwebkit/

The rust electron competitor is already here https://tauri.studio/en/

Nice!

Okay, so now I want Tauri-but-for-Python.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by jhoechtl »

devwastaken wrote: post #115
nvrspyx wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A third-option that I would like to see is extending the latter to an Electron alternative (aka using Servo as a cross-platform GUI). There's definitely positives to Electron, but it would be nice to see a more performant, less memory hungry, and more battery friendly alternative.

Servo last time I checked used the same if not more memory (100MB) for basic pages. There doesn't appear to be major differences for that application yet.

Why should there be any great difference? Firefox is already written in a language where compilers have been optimized since decades.

Rust will not bring that magic.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by alexusgracia »

jhoechtl wrote: post #214
devwastaken wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Servo last time I checked used the same if not more memory (100MB) for basic pages. There doesn't appear to be major differences for that application yet.

Why should there be any great difference? Firefox is already written in a language where compilers have been optimized since decades. Rust will not bring that magic.

Yap, it's magic

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Post by jamienicol »

LockAndLol wrote: post #169
ygjb wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is that from both of these comments it implies you have a concern about the future and the stability of Firefox as both an open source project, and it's role in preventing a browser monoculture. Setting aside concerns about leadership, because IMO it's time for most of the current leadership to retire and make space for more innovative folks, Mozilla needs two things to preserve Firefox and Gecko, money and…

If Mozilla were serious about Firefox and privacy, they'd move it to the Foundation, allow direct donations, remove all the Googleware, Pocket and whatever else they unnecessarily shoved into Firefox + all the problems you stated. I'm not going to consider affirming bad leadership by giving them money. Mozilla Corp employees aren't locked into anything (unless they signed really shitty contracts). They can leave and…

what googleware is in Firefox, and what impact does pocket have on your privacy?

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Post by jamienicol »

pqoek wrote: post #208
simias wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people have an axe to grind with Mozilla since that whole Brendan Eich thing, and on top of that there's just good old sexism. This all contributes to create a very toxic subject that I generally tend to avoid, but I think that it's fair at this point to question Mozilla's execs results at this point. These past few years have been pretty brutal for Mozilla, and there's no clear path ahead from where I stand.

> good old sexism The only comment mentioning her gender was someone defending her, you're pulling hair here

yes because one can only be sexist by explicitly mentioning gender

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by The_rationalist »

fabrice_d wrote: post #95
CodesInChaos wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hard time believing that a project as ambitious as servo can survive without several paid core developers.

Look at the corporate sponsors (that include Samsung and Huawei) - they may provide paid contributors.

I strongly believe that you could get funded by Google if you attempted to port stylo to chromium. Firefox still has state of the art css performance I believe, thanks to stylo.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by vanderZwan »

lastontheboat wrote: post #2

We've been cagey about this over the months since the Servo team at Mozilla was disbanded, since there were various moving pieces that needed to fall into place. We're excited about the possibility for Servo to continue growing and evolving in its new home, though!

Tangent: is your username in combination with that comment a reference to the Mozilla Lifeboat?

Re: Servo’s new home

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Post by The_rationalist »

reader_mode wrote: post #199

Any servo developers arround ? I remember reading that a lot of CSS layout problems stem from having to support legacy stuff like floats etc that complicates reflow etc. Would it be possible to create a rendering path that just supports flexbox/grid and stuff that's not performance limiting ? This wouldn't be great for existing websites but it would be amazing if you had a CSS "strict mode" for electron like apps and…

Not the same but css: contain is a quite revolutionary strict mode, performance-wise
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