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Re: YouTube Down

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Post by boogies » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:09 AM UTC

lovelyviking wrote: post #208

shmerl wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DASH isn't driven by greed really, it simply allows flexibly and seamlessly switching audio and video streams to vary quality. You can change resolution, and it still plays things continuously for you. But it makes it hard to download, unless you stitch all that on the receiving end, something that youtube-dl does. Greed and etc. were already piled on top of that with DRM, obfuscation and the like.

youtube videos are drm protected?

That’s what the RIAA argued in the request that made their member Microsoft take down youtube-dl.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by charrondev » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:10 AM UTC

lovelyviking wrote: post #208

shmerl wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DASH isn't driven by greed really, it simply allows flexibly and seamlessly switching audio and video streams to vary quality. You can change resolution, and it still plays things continuously for you. But it makes it hard to download, unless you stitch all that on the receiving end, something that youtube-dl does. Greed and etc. were already piled on top of that with DRM, obfuscation and the like.

youtube videos are drm protected?

Some of them are. IIRC the whole fiasco with YouTube-dl was because the repository had tests indicating how to decode DRM protected videos.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by soheil » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:10 AM UTC

Now that YouTube is back up I take this opportunity to put this thread to a good use and ask what does it take to create an alternative to YouTube?

Would love your opinions/wish list/must haves.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by boogies » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:11 AM UTC

hetspookjee wrote: post #69

augusto-moura wrote: post #41

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The problem is that most of my subscribed channels are not in Vimeo, so I lose a lot of meaningful content

I wonder why syndication is not more of a thing. Surely there must be a simple tool to upload your video to multiple platforms at once?

LBRY and Bitchute can automatically mirror your YT channel, and IIUC the former can also automatically upload videos to YouTube, maybe even on a customizable delay. Some decent sized channels like minutephysics use LBRY, but even though anecdotal accounts report much higher revenue per view and no decrease in YouTube exposure, it’s still certainly a uphill battle to compete with a de facto monopoly that can afford to hemorrhage money and just get more from a massive gatekeeper of the web.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by tcbasche » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:11 AM UTC

oedoedxef wrote: post #138

tcbasche wrote: post #118

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What on Earth are you on about

GCP doesn't consider it to be an "outage" if you are able to access a website (e.g "youtube.com") and get a 200 OK response. So, when you go to the status page for the cloud service, it will show green checkmarks, meaning everything is ok. But, the video you are trying to watch won't load, and will throw a 500 error. But this isn't considered downtime, for them.

Ah I see.

Yeah I've had nothing but grief with those outage detectors. They seem to be really optimistic and not take into account the web of CDN's that contribute to the 'uptime' of a website

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by shmerl » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

lovelyviking wrote: post #208

shmerl wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DASH isn't driven by greed really, it simply allows flexibly and seamlessly switching audio and video streams to vary quality. You can change resolution, and it still plays things continuously for you. But it makes it hard to download, unless you stitch all that on the receiving end, something that youtube-dl does. Greed and etc. were already piled on top of that with DRM, obfuscation and the like.

youtube videos are drm protected?

Some of them have some kind of intentional obfuscation.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by Mountain_Skies » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:16 AM UTC

soheil wrote: post #213

Now that YouTube is back up I take this opportunity to put this thread to a good use and ask what does it take to create an alternative to YouTube? Would love your opinions/wish list/must haves.

The folks at MindGeek probably can answer that better than anyone.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by MattGaiser » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:18 AM UTC

ramosu wrote: post #170

Sometimes I wonder why other big tech companies don't even try to create something to compete with YouTube. YT have been the only player in the game for far too long.

YouTube is barely profitable/not profitable and probably wouldn’t be without the Google ad ecosystem. Video isn’t cheap.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by brewdad » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

soheil wrote: post #213

Now that YouTube is back up I take this opportunity to put this thread to a good use and ask what does it take to create an alternative to YouTube? Would love your opinions/wish list/must haves.

First, collect a few billion dollars....

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by boogies » Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

charrondev wrote: post #212

lovelyviking wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

youtube videos are drm protected?

Some of them are. IIRC the whole fiasco with YouTube-dl was because the repository had tests indicating how to decode DRM protected videos.

IIUC part of the fiasco was the tests needing to use certain non-libre videos as they were the only ones with the worst DRM, but the RIAA also argued that the simpler obfuscation of normal videos was a “rolling cipher” and an “effective prevention mechanism” or whatever the DMCA legalese for DRM is as well.